Comment:
Orion is very much like an open source project, in that they have an
excelling mailing list, offering support. Sure, some people may think like
this: Gee, I had to read the Sun specs to learn (which are really more
geared to providing a blueprint to building an EJB server, and not how to
use EJB), so why should I help any newcomers? It reminds me of my father: I
had to walk five miles in the snow, so why do you need a car? However, I
look at it this way: the more newcomers we can welcome to this J2EE world,
the more competition it will give Uncle Bill. And the more Orion users it
brings to the fold!
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Richardson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:15 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Intro to Orion Tutorial
> I don't know about everyone else, but I had a real difficult time
getting
> started with Orion (coming from WebLogic). It seemed like I was
stumped at
> every turn. I know there are a few tutorials, but I found them
difficult to
> follow. Plus, I would rather use standard utilities like Sun's
deploytool,
> rather than something like Ant.
That depends on your background though. I'm new to the whole EJB thing, but
the only product I tried to use before Orion was a combination of Visualage
/ Websphere, and I didn't get on with those at all - far too confusing. The
no-nonsense approach of Orion is pretty refreshing, and this mailing list
seems pretty darn useful too.
> I really like Orion and I would hate to see people turned off from
it just
> because they can't get it to work right away.
Did you get Weblogic to work the first time you tried it? I think a certain
amount of pain is to be expected at first :-)
> For newbies, it's really more
> of a problem with the complexity of J2EE than anything
Orion-specific, or at
> least it seems that way to me.
Yes, absolutely. I don't think you can do much about that - at least I can
pretty much see what Orion's doing behind the scenes, unlike a lot of other
products where you just have to press a button or something and it does
everything for you - fine when it works, but a complete disaster when it
suddenly breaks for whatever reason.
> http://www.4degreez.com/intro.html
I'll take a look. Coming from what's pretty much an open-source background
it's nice to see people taking the time to do things like this - Orion feels
very much like an open-source product (wish it was ;) what with good (IMHO
opinion) information on the website, small efficient footprint, mailing
lists, support sites etc.
cheers
Jules
