Hi, Jay
I'm a "volunteer" on this list also, FWIW. I'm certainly a regular reader,
and I know and appreciate who posts what and when. I am no longer directly
associated with Orion here at work - we use it for development, but because
it is too inexpensive we can't use it for production (no, I am not kidding).
So I am dealing with iPlanet issues. But I try to keep up with Orion, even
if my knowledge of it is no longer leading-edge (which is why I rarely say
anything about it).
I was objecting to the tone of the email that I saw. I think there is one
person on a mailing-list who can and should "warn" people, and that's the
owner. Period. That being said, I hate and detest HTML-formatted email
myself. Like I said in my previous email, I very rarely encounter the other
situation.
Rather than having people take it upon themselves to act as policemen, it
would work a lot better if we had a regular advisory appear, just as on
other lists, with the authority of the list-owner. That way there is no
chance of personalities coming into it. Failing that, quote an acknowledged
best-practices/list etiquette reference instead of making it sound like it's
coming from you personally.
I'm a bit touchy about it because I've seen plenty of other lists and
newsgroups degenerate because of having too many cops. Eventually (and quite
rapidly) you have Etiquette Expert A disagreeing with Etiquette Expert B.
Yeah, this time around you, Mike and Robert were in accord - that may not
last forever.
Final point, and then I'll shut up. Srinivas doesn't seem to be doing his
homework, and he's clueless about some aspects of etiquette, but any
assumptions about his intentions are just that - assumptions. A threat to
take strong, punitive action against him, based on assumptions, and without
due diligence, is uncalled for. More to the point, if you're going to
threaten someone, do it in private - I neither need to see it nor do I want
to see it.
Regards,
Arved Sandstrom
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 7:40 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Problem in Executing the First Example given in the Orion
taglib-tutorial Documentation !!
Hi all,
Please implicate me with Mike and Robert Nicholson, who politely warned
Srinivas two days before Mike did (and after Magnus Rydin tried to answer
Srinivas' question the same day he asked it). Note the "!!" at the end of
subject. He "shouts" for help, but is still sending the annoying
read-response emails.
A single message here and there is no biggee. But there is a growing
number of questions sent to this site. I would wager that Mike reads most
of them. He has helped me and a lot of others in the past. He also wrote,
among other things, the Servlet Filter demo at OrionSupport. Mike, thanks
for your help and please continue.
If you think Mike was too harsh, how about this (my personal opinion):
Anyone who can't or won't configure their email properly and/or ignores
polite warnings probably has no business trying to figure out J2EE
products, like Orion. Anyone, like Mike, who gives a lot more than they
get from this interest group should be thanked for the valuable (and
UNPAID) help they provide.
So, bring on the "newbie" questions, but let's make it clear that there is
a "quid pro quo": don't irritate the volunteers.
Jay Armstrong
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 02:02 PM 3/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey, Mike, having a bad day? Yeah, I don't like reading HTML-formatted
email
>myself, nor do I enjoy clicking the No on the 'send reply on reading'
dialog
>(I estimate that with the amount of email that I read and reply to, which
is
>large, I might have to do this about once every two weeks, so it's
onerous),
>but I think you're stretching it with your tone of voice and some
>unwarranted assumptions.
>
>Do me a favour, don't implicate the rest of us by using a passive "you've
>been warned". If you mean "_I_ warned you before, and I'm doing it again",
>say so. Thanks.
>
>While you're at it, if you're really going to take action against Srinivas,
>don't forget to do everything that the MAPS RBL Team suggests that you
>should do before going to them as a last resort - looks like a fair amount
>of effort there on your part, and probably at least a month before you'd
>have exhausted all avenues and have to go to the RBL. I'd hate to hear that
>you're skipping all that due diligence whenever you have a wild hair.
>
>Have a nice day.
>
>Regards,
>Arved Sandstrom
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J.
>Cannon
>Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:11 PM
>To: Orion-Interest
>Subject: RE: Problem in Executing the First Example given in the Orion
>taglib-tutorial Documentation !!
>Importance: High
>
>
>Yo, Srinivas...you've been warned before here...post in plain text and turn
>off the 'send reply on reading' in your lousy Microcrap Outlook MUA or I
>will be forced to submit you (and your domain) to the Black Hole list. If
>you are using this list to collect spam candidates for future use/resale
>(what this looks like) - don't!!!
>
>Mike Cannon
>SANE
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of srinivas
>Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 4:15 AM
>To: Orion-Interest
>Subject: Problem in Executing the First Example given in the Orion
>taglib-tutorial Documentation !!
>
>
>Yes I do have the All the things Correctly which u have metioned in your
>directory.
>
>So then what is the problem ??
>
>Please help me out ...
>Srinivas
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Magnus Rydin
>To: Orion-Interest
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:24 PM
>Subject: SV: Problem in Executing the First Example given in the Orion
>taglib-tutorial Documentation !!
>
>
>In your /WEB-INF/ directory, you do have a file called taglib.tld that
>matches
>http://www.orionserver.com/tutorials/taglibs/lesson1/taglib.tld.txt ?
>
>In your web.xml, do you have an entry like:
>
>...
><taglib>
> <taglib-uri>mytags</taglib-uri>
> <taglib-location>/WEB-INF/taglib.tld</taglib-location>
></taglib>
>...
>
>
>In your JSP page, do you reference the taglib as:
>...
><%@ taglib uri="mytags" prefix="mt" %>
>...
>
>in your /web-inf/classes/com/acme/tag/ directory, do you have the .class
>files according to the tutorial?
>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Från: srinivas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Skickat: den 13 mars 2001 02:25
>Till: Orion-Interest
>Ämne: Problem in Executing the First Example given in the Orion
>taglib-tutorial Documentation !!
>
>
>
>No No I named it correctly in the reference. That is not the problem.
>
>I think the Problem is different which iam not getting it . Please help me
>!!
>Thanks...
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Magnus Rydin
>To: Orion-Interest
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 3:40 PM
>Subject: SV: Problem in Executing the First Example given in the Orion
>taglib-tutorial Documentation !!
>
>
>I noticed that lesson 1 says 'mytags.tld' at one location and 'taglib.tld'
>at another.
>I will fix this this evening.
>Could this be the source to your problems?
>If you have named your taglib file 'taglib.tld' make sure that you use that
>name when referencing it too.
>WR
>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Från: srinivas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Skickat: den 12 mars 2001 17:49
>Till: Orion-Interest
>Ämne: Re: Problem in Executing the First Example given in the Orion
>taglib-tutorial Documentation !!
>
>
>Hi Magnus Rydin,
>Here is the file which u want to have a look on it.
>Here is the taglib.tld file , Please check whether it has any errors.
>
>Taglib.tld file
>
>
><?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?>
> <!DOCTYPE taglib PUBLIC "-//Sun Microsystems, Inc.//DTD JSP Tag Library
>1.1//EN"
> "http://java.sun.com/j2ee/dtds/web-jsptaglibrary_1_1.dtd">
>
>
> <taglib>
> <tlibversion>1.0</tlibversion>
> <jspversion>1.1</jspversion>
> <shortname>mt</shortname>
> <uri>http://www.orionserver.com/tutorials</uri>
> <info>My first Tag library</info>
>
> <tag>
> <name>helloWorld</name>
> <tagclass>com.acme.tag.HelloWorldTag</tagclass>
> <bodycontent>empty</bodycontent>
> <info>A Hello world Tag</info>
> </tag>
>
> </taglib>
>
>
>------ end of file--------------------
>
>
>CH.Srinivas Babu
>Java Application Developer
>Ph: 006027189333 Extn - 8224
>Mobile : 0060173837232
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Magnus Rydin
>To: Orion-Interest
>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:50 PM
>Subject: SV: Problem in Executing the First Example given in the Orion
>taglib-tutorial Documentation !!
>
>
>It sounds like your tag library descriptor has faults. Please include your
>taglib.tld and we can have a look at it.
>WR
>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Från: srinivas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Skickat: den 11 mars 2001 20:34
>Till: Orion-Interest
>Kopia: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Ämne: Problem in Executing the First Example given in the Orion
>taglib-tutorial Documentation !!
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I have downloaded the Helloworld.jsp, taglib.tld and helloworld .java
>compiled and got helloworld.class .
>and created the same directory structure as mentioned in the documentation
>of taglib-tutorial. I could able to compile HelloWorld.java
>when i run the HelloWorld.jsp , it produces the following error :
>500 Internal Server Error
>java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Error parsing tag-library
>file:/D:/orion/applications/nbizdev/niagabiz-web/Web-inf/taglib.tld: XML
>declaration may only begin entities.
> at javax.servlet.jsp.tagext.TagLibraryInfo.<init>(TagLibraryInfo.java)
> at com.evermind.server.http.TagLibraryArchive.<init>(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.TagLibraryArchive.r9(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.d_.r3(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.HttpApplication.r3(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.eg.tn(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.eg.sm(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.JSPPage.sm(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.HttpApplication.v4(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.HttpApplication.w5(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.JSPServlet.service(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.d1.si(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.d1.forward(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.ed.sp(JAX)
> at com.evermind.server.http.ed.so(JAX)
> at com.evermind.util.f.run(JAX)
>
>I tried a lot to find out the cause of this problem. But could not succeed.
>I wasted 2 full days in
>rectifying this problem. Please help me. this Problem is making me mad...
>thanks
>a lot.
>Srinivas
>
>
>
>
>
