>I really hope that Orion is released into the open-source community if they're going 
>to tank as a business.

I never thought of that.  I guess the real question may be: "What is 
Orion's/Ironflare's business model?"  Taking a wild guess, not based on any first hand 
knowledge/contact/experience, the 'problem' may be that orion's developer's want to 
continue programming and not become consultants, support technicians, etc...  Which 
would be great to have quality developers on the project full time, but this seems 
contrary to a lot of the service models that are out there now.  A lot of companies 
now repackage open source and get paid on service/consulting.  Perhaps they need a 
quality partner or need to be bought out (maybe macromedia should have bought them out 
instead of buying allaire)...who knows...I'm not an expert in this field as I'm sure 
my views have proved.  So I may be way off base.  I'm just an avid java developer with 
a small, nimble company that likes to develop and utilize small, quick, and 
well-written software.  (did you also ever notice that orion seems to be at most h!
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alf the size of other major app servers?)

>By the way, if some help is needed to host (or provide an alternative to) 
>orionsupport, please let me know.  I know the boss here; I'm sure we could work 
>something out.

I think a lot of people would help out in this department (including myself), 
especially if it was open source.  I already have a kind of how-to in the works for 
SSL using chained certificates from Entrust.net.

David

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