Okay, so I was thinking of Pliny when I read Philo...never mind... Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur "You just keep thinking, Butch. That's what you're good at." For private reply, e-mail to "Dave Washburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: "unsubscribe Orion." Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il.