Dear Greg, I hopte to be back with an in-depth analysis of your arguments. Lack of time prevents me to do this right now Suffice to say that I maintain my position. The internal data of the scrolls intimate a situation which make readers expect a thorough zadokite lineage of a highpriestly TOR as far as the Hasmoneans is concerned there lineage was clearly flawed and from Johanan Hyrcanus more than in one way, according to the data we have inter alia via Josephus . Nothing comparable can be said about Simon the Just and the subsequent Oniads. Gpoing further back, it seems that Ezra´s reform consisted precisely of putting in power a highpriestly distany of purely zadolkite extraction. The big scandal started in the time of Epiphanes but there is no evidence whatsoever, anywehre, that any lineage of the various high priests concerned was an issue, until the Hasmoneans came to power. Of course there can be no absolute proof of any "Stammbaum", but that is not the problem. The problem is how various High Priests were percieved by there contemporaries. Oniads were clearly percieved as Zadokites simply becuase in a time were these lienages were so important, there is no single indication anybody contested their Zadokite extraction. It is the other way round with the Hasmnoeans. Again, the fact that there is no absolute proof of the zadokite extraction of Oniads doesn´t change matters. It is the way the highpristly distanies were viewd in their own time.
And to point II: even the subjective view of the assumed writers of the scrolls/supporters of Hyrcanus must have had some legislative substance for their claims regarding the TOR. , who, as reflected by CD, 1OpHab must have been not only a legislator but also implicated in an ideological row with the Wicked Priest. I have found no evidence whatsoever regarding such an ideological fight between Hyrc II and Arist II, a struggle limited to legitimacy on the basis of the first-born. All tthe best, Peter "Peter, your first objection assumes that 'Hyrcanus is not' a Zadokite priest. Why do you think this, and how is it that you know this? (Do you have an answer for this that would not argue with equal force that the earlier Oniads also were not Zadokites?) Since there is no evidence for your assumption that Hyrcanus II did not claim ancestry from Zadok, the basis for your objection is missing. On your second point, the relevant comparison is not between Josephus's portrayal of Hyrcanus's personality and the TR, but between ancient images of what a high priest was and the TR. Hyrcanus II would be written about in certain ways in the world of texts by supporters because he was regarded as the legitimate high priest. Josephus's picture of Hyrcanus II is also stylized too, but that is another issue. "The best way to confirm or falsify the Hyrcanus II/ TR identity is not through personality reconstruction comparisons but through correspondences in time, place, and _tendenz_. Pompey is the conqueror of 4QpNah and CD and 1QpHab. If Pompey is the conqueror, then Aristobulus II is the bad guy. If Aristobulus II is the bad guy, then Hyrcanus II is the good guy, the legitimate high priest in exile foretelling Pompey's victory as the wrath of God to befall the wicked priestly regime in Jerusalem. The Qumran texts are texts of priests, of high priest's priests, collected in Jerusalem. Hyrcanus II and his priests come to an end by coincidence at about the end of Ib at Qumran, where the texts in caves are forever abandoned and never recovered. Internal allusions in the Qumran texts flourish 1st BCE but then cut off permanently and totally after 40 BCE, after the end of Hyrcanus II, after the end of Ib. A little oversimplified, but that is the basic insight. "Late Herodian formal" could be the dominant scribal school of the temple or within Jerusalem 63-40 BCE (as well as after that). The other scribal hands could be various sources of texts collected and gathered in Jerusalem from other places (or within Jerusalem)" Greg Doudna For private reply, e-mail to "peter janku" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: "unsubscribe Orion." Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
