Geoffroy, I never ever explicitely or invasively told you that I did not like you as a project chair. Never ever! Far from that. Why would I have wished that??? You're one pilar of OSCAR.
It is true I was frustrated by delays in comminting my mods to the SVN (and I understood that you were doing that freely and thus had no obligations in doing this), but I never gave you any kind of ORDER for that. One day, after 3 unanswered mails I sent you a capital letter subject mail thinking that you were flooded by work mails and hoped it would let you see my mail (but unfortunately you did interpret this in another way and despite my effort to explain this I had no way to be understood) Honestly, I'd be very happy to have the relashionship we had in the past. This situation is hurting me a lot at the point it's hard to sleep sometimes :-( I'm again really sorry if I broke things on your side. If I did modify, there was a reason, trust me, and it hit my big backport of all my work. This situation was exceptional and since now, developpent should be smooth again. there were 200+ commits on my local svn. It tooks hours to split in fewer coherent commits. What should I have done things then? For you oda issue, couldn't you have done an svn copy of a released tag and do the fix in this copy (and backport later the fix in the trunk?). Best regards, Olivier. -- Olivier LAHAYE CEA DRT/LIST/DCSI/DIR ________________________________________ De : geoffroy.val...@free.fr [geoffroy.val...@free.fr] Date d'envoi : vendredi 1 février 2013 17:45 À : oscar-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: LAHAYE Olivier Objet : Re: [Oscar-devel] RE : RE : Remark about any modification to the database I explicitly said that i was ok with your modification but that in the future, it is always better to speak about the details on the mailing list. I tried to tell you how this group was working in the past: you modify the database, you speak about it first on the mailing list. If you are not ok with that's fine but you clearly go against the way we were working in the past. Then you are claiming i am "fighting like a shark" (yet another accusation, thanks!)... where did you get this? I am ok with 95% of your modifications and did not say a thing. I am complaining about a few modifications that concern things i am working on, that you modified without any discussion. Am I supposed to be quiet, not raise any questions or remarks because i need to be careful about the way you feel? Which by the way i cannot know. I am ok with every you said about trunk: yes it is reserved for developments and yes it is ok to break it. However, trunk is not a resource for a single developer or maintainer, you need to communicate. In other terms, when you suspect that a specific check-in will impact the work someone else is doing, you are supposed to synchronized with that person. If i modify anything related to RPM, i will make sure to contact you first (except if trunk is broken in that it is ok to modify directly). If you modify something related to Debian, i believe it is normal to contact me. You explicitly told me you did not like me as project chair, i resigned; you clearly told me that you want to be able to move fast and do all modifications you want, i supported your write access to SVN. Do you want me now to be completely silent and do not raise concern and just deal with whatever you are doing? Thanks, ----- Mail original ----- De: "LAHAYE Olivier" <olivier.lah...@cea.fr> À: oscar-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Envoyé: Vendredi 1 Février 2013 10:51:49 Objet: [Oscar-devel] RE : RE : Remark about any modification to the database Ok, Maybe I' wasn't clear. I said that I did modify the database you could have warned me at that time, but you didn't. Whatever the mod would be, you could have raised a concern about that, but you didn't. I could have issued an RFC (I didn't know that I should have and will do in the future), but even without this RFC, you were aware that a change to the database was on its way and you could have warned me at that time. Insted uyou waited until I did the change and publicly criticised my way of doing things. This is very unfair :-( I said that I would push my modifications, you could also have warned me at that time (but you didn't either). Then I've pushed many update doing my best to have OSCAR ready for the future and you fight at me publicly like a shark. This is very demotivating I must admint. I always accept all remarks at take them into account (I will for database and future modifications), but it is very unfair to imply that I've pushed everything without notice before. Maybe I was not exaustive, but I'll do my best and will learn from that. As for the update process, maybe it is partially broken, but my understanding is that the svn trunk is a devel tree and is not meant for production. Your production systems shouldn't be affected by that. I cannot push 100% of all stuff ready for a release, but be assured, that the upgrade script will be provided. You can create a release with version before my commits a week ago and I can work on all issues generated by this massive commit so a after massive commit release can be made for testing purpose. As for RHEL5, it juste entered a stage were minimal hardware evolution is provided. This means that RHEL5 will not be installable on future hardware releases (most likely). Thus one guy buying let say a new HP system released in june 2013 has great chance to be unable to run RHEL5 on it and thus will requires RHEL6. My experience is that latest stable oscar is unable to run on RHEL6, and all the work I've done so far on oscar is to remove this limitation and make OSCAR sustainable. Regards, Olivier. -- Olivier LAHAYE CEA DRT/LIST/DCSI/DIR ________________________________________ De : geoffroy.val...@free.fr [geoffroy.val...@free.fr] Date d'envoi : vendredi 1 février 2013 16:14 À : oscar-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: LAHAYE Olivier Objet : Re: [Oscar-devel] RE : Remark about any modification to the database I just looked at your post again and i am sorry but i do not see ANY detail about the database modification. Please read again my email and you will see that it is about what everybody should do in the future. Then, you say you are new to the open source development thing but obviously you do not accept any kind of remarks about what you are doing the wrong way. So simple question: what are the other developers, including me, supposed to do? Let you do whatever you want silently? Also by adding something to the database, you potentially break all update process: the database is already there, with the old schema, when updating, you do not recreate the database, so the new field is not included, later on you try to add a value to the field that is not there and therefore create a crash. When adding a field to the database the usage is, at lease, to provide a script that update an existing database. About your RHEL5 remark, what does it mean? I simply do not see your point... Thanks, ----- Mail original ----- De: "LAHAYE Olivier" <olivier.lah...@cea.fr> À: oscar-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Envoyé: Vendredi 1 Février 2013 04:47:55 Objet: [Oscar-devel] RE : Remark about any modification to the database I'm sorry if I've not been clear enought, but On Dec 13 2012, I annouved support for GPU in wizard AND DATABASE http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=30224108 with no tech queries or warnings about this modification. Then On January, 25 2013, I did announce that I would commit all my work http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=30401060 without receiving any warnings or advice. I stated that I had tested the whole oscar on my cluster and that my modifications was able to pass all oscar steps including step 8. No more technical queries or warning. Regarding the modification I madeto the database, there are several modifications level of danger. Removing a column can be infinitely more harmfull that adding a column (our case). At worst, the added column is ignored. For GPU support, it was an addition. Geoffroy, you know that I'm new to opensource developpement, so please, be a little bit more comprehensive with my mistakes. Without my work, Oscar would still be stuck to RHEL5 wich entered Production2 state on January 2013 (which means minor native hardware enhancements). As stated in this message http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=30401690 I know that while it works fine on my system, it is far to be ready for all systems and it may break things, but this is the way to go (on a developpent tree) if you want to reach the next step. Best regards, Olivier. -- Olivier LAHAYE CEA DRT/LIST/DCSI/DIR ________________________________________ De : geoffroy.val...@free.fr [geoffroy.val...@free.fr] Date d'envoi : jeudi 31 janvier 2013 22:29 À : oscar-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Objet : [Oscar-devel] Remark about any modification to the database A modification to the database was made a few days ago, i am totally ok with that modification, but no developer is allowed to modify the database without initiating a discussion on the mailing list first. The database is the very core of OSCAR, we _must_ be very cautious with every single modification made the database schema and ensure that everybody in the project is ok with the proposed modification. In other terms, like in any other project, for core modifications (such as the database), it is always better to send a RFC on the developer mailing list first, especially since we have a few active developers/maintainers again. Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan _______________________________________________ Oscar-devel mailing list Oscar-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oscar-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. 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