Re: [osdcmy-public] Does anyone still code because of passion?

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Very true what Encik Sweemeng ng said. I learnt my painful lesson of not sticking to the codes which i started in 1982 as a COBOL programmer which put me really high up those days but only COBOL world lah. Then i got a PC sales business and then macam-macam broker conman kene kind of jobs during Medan Mara days, then soooo sooo happyyy that i got back in 1996 as Bank Bumi HTML coder. Itu pun jadilah. Get to learn up Photoshop too. But it was a painful return to a world quickly filling up with C++ and replacing with Java. And in between 1997 to 2000 i was busy with a big big bucks lifestlye as HRDF consultant to POS Malaysia raking in RM50k per mth. So apa lagi? Lupa plak coding lah. Only managed to master some Adobe and Macromedia stuff but pathetic lah. Not a real Jawa man. Then in 2003 is the real turnaround. I was told about Compiere, downloaded it and completely taken by it - Java + Oracle + ERP + SourceForge + + + so much skillsets to last me 10 lifetimes. Today i just resolved some Mercurial SVN commands (ala sikit je... baru leh buat "hg diff") and solve a bug in the OSGI code (ala sket he.. baru dapat PackOut extensions IDs matching). But i now feel a million dollar person even though i am still stuck in this farm home, rented and poor. I am talking about my spirit dummy. It is different when you are in a creative mode and rally hopeless when you are just pushing rubber. +1 vote to Programmer Burnout Anonymous, just that i am not ashamed to be anon anymore *sniggers* On 12/23/10 8:51 AM, sweemeng ng wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:39 PM, CL Chow <klrkdek...@gmail.com> wrote: Does anyone still do this these days? Does the market needs only drones? Or should we succumb to be drones just because we cannot fight the temptation of BREAD? Do we need more people who plays golf better than code in this field? Do we need to be guided and pampered so we can create our own Silicon Valley? Do we simply create a project just to get funding? Do we simply code because we need the money? Do we simply allow people to give us disgrace? How many of us are aware we are falling deeper into this eternal hole of no conscience? Can't we code simply we just like to code? Regards, CL Chow "Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/"   We need more technically inclined people in the field, but unfortunately many company don't work this way.  For most, the only path of career after programming is management. That i assume if they survive the burnout. Because the job require us to, work late, deal with unreasonable deadline and requirement, learning opportunity is not as many, and not as appreciated for knowledge and skills.  There is so much happening in IT, new tech, new skills, new tools. Yet the above reason will kill off the passion, the mood to actually learn all the new stuff. Or we simply will not have the time to actually learn that.  This lead me believe that, it is better for people like us to start our own stuff. Yes it would require us to work a lot harder, more than a normal 9-6 day job, and we have learn stuff that we might not be passionate about, such as business skills, basic accounting. But I think this is worth it in a way that, we are working on stuff we passionate about, or learn and apply new knowledge which we probably never ever going to learn about in a normal day job anyway.   p.s Or maybe I should start a programmer burnout anonymous malaysia.   --   -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/   Facebook Fan page   http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577   http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google   Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en