Yeah, that's not such a bad idea. I wouldn't mind contributing (money) to an AS3 compiler project if it came down to that. Of course, I'd much rather pay nothing. ;)
But I completely support Nicolas in his new endeavours. Who are any of you to tell him what he should or shouldn't do (whether outright or through whining)? He's not our compiler slave. He's a guy with his own interests and doesn't owe us anything. Scott -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Winterhalder Sent: Sat 10/22/2005 9:53 AM To: Open Source Flash Mailing List Cc: Subject: Re: [osflash] MTASC Future > I would really love to see their energy go into something that adds to the > community but to be honest I dont see this new language project adds > anything of value. I think it *does* add something of value. The features Nicolas described look great, and I might well consider playing with it. Only, knowing myself, what probably will happen is that it will end up on that ever growing pile of things I plan to look into at some point in the future and stay there with the rest. There are hundreds of languages out there that all have their own specific advantages. For Flash development, I don't see a way around learning AS3 and I'm actually looking forward to using it. Why should I spend time on learning a new language and workflow for a platform I already have access to when there are so many others out there which would open new possibilities for me? Likewise, somebody new to Flash development or merely interested in experimenting with that platform would probably prefer to learn a standard based language which others are using too, even if that person is aware of MTASC2 as an alternative. So, added value is certainly there in the sense that it improves certain aspects, but at the cost of others. I believe it will end up in the spare time/hobby realm and will be learned mostly for academic reasons, but since Nicolas is developing MTASC because he personally enjoys doing so that is perfectly fine -- after all, it's not a commercial product or otherwise dependent on having a user base that uses it for daily work. I think what the community should do is to try to lobby Macromedia into selling the compiler separately from the IDE, or better setting up a bounty for somebody to write an open source AS3 compiler for AVM2. mark On 10/22/05, Robert Edgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am not meaning to be personally critical of anybody or there intentions > but really, > I think we need another language like we need a hole in the head. > > I have never been one of the monkeys who see, speak and hear no evil about > MM, I prefer to just say what I think so my views are not some MM kiss ass. > > AS3 is not perfect but it really is AS2 done right. > > I can find things wrong with it, but most people would think I am nit > picking if I talked about it. > > It really does represent for the first time a viable API for an RIA > platform. > > They have removed their framework from the API so you aren't sucked in to > that nasty web that is the AS2 component framework. > > Everything has an interface and I only need implement those interfaces and > bingo everything works, anything I want to do I can, anything I want to > replace I can and yet I can still be 100% compatible, this is so big! > > AS3 is not a proprietary language it is EMCAScript, and comparable to > JScript.NET that means an awful lot of people using very similar syntax. MM > do represent a standard like it or not. > > I can see why this might be an interesting project for Nicolas but I can see > no advantage whatsoever to a RIA developer in going off to some proprietary > language that is neither one thing or another. > I mean you might as well use xamalon, write in .NET and produce swfs that > way instead. > > To be honest as much as MTASC appeals to a tiny fraction of the flash > universe I see this new language appealing to a similar proportion of the > current MTASC universe.. i.e. problably less than a dozen people. > > If that's appealing to you fine it's a free world and I have no doubt about > Nicolas's ability to produce it and make it work well ...... but what is the > point? > > Sorry to be negative and this is not at all a personal attack on the > relevant individuals who I think are a bunch of smart and great guys just my > personal opinion on the value of this project. > > I would really love to see their energy go into something that adds to the > community but to be honest I dont see this new language project adds > anything of value. > > Sorry, I accept I am not going to making any new friends with this post but > I don't see a point in just saying "wow, awesome guys" > Rob -- http://snafoo.org/ jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ osflash mailing list [email protected] http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org
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