Don't tell me you guys are all from Amsterdam in Holland ??
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Spark Europe (Edwin van Rijkom)
2. Re: MTASC Future (Tom George)
3. It's official - Red5 Demo at SPARK (John Grden)
4. Re: It's official - Red5 Demo at SPARK (Peter Elst)
5. Re: It's official - Red5 Demo at SPARK (John Grden)
6. Re: RED5 demo dist request for mirrors. (John Grden)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:56:32 +0200
From: Edwin van Rijkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [osflash] Spark Europe
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Posted this to Aral off-list too - but if you guys would like me to be
on the panel too, just let me know: I live 30 minutes away from
Amsterdam, so getting there won't be a problem :)
Would be great to meet everybody in person!
Cheers,
Edwin
John Grden wrote:
> Hey Aral, I talked to Stewart at Max and he said there would definatly
> be panels on the 17th & 18th (both days) that we'd be sitting in on.
>
> Hey, on the beer note, I'll buy first round - celebrate OSFlash's
> success ;) That and I won't know anybody at all, better not to drink
> alone ;)
>
> On 10/22/05, *Francis Bourre* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
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> I'll be there Nicolas, to present some stuff, meet good old
> friends and
> drink some beers. Prepare yourself to get some drinks reward for
> your killer
> compiler. ;)
>
> francis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicolas Cannasse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 7:45 PM
> Subject: [osflash] Spark Europe
>
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Several people from the OSFlash community are going to attend
> the Spark
> > Europe conference in November ( http://www.sparkeurope.com ). It
> will
> > feature Aral speaking about OSFlash Revolution and me speaking about
> > MTASC.
> > Looks like there will also be some kind of cool workshop on 16.
> > If you can attend the conference you ought to be there in order
> to offer
> > me
> > a beer in replacement for MTASC license fee !! :) Hope I can
> make it till
> > the end...
> >
> > See you
> > Nicolas
> >
> >
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> --
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Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:57:58 -0400
From: Tom George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [osflash] MTASC Future
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And now, for your heresy, we must tie you to a stake and burn you ;-)
On Oct 22, 2005, at 04:13 PM, Aral Balkan wrote:
> It's funny, Richard, because the now-much-ridiculed-and-looked-down-
> upon
> AS1 actually shares a lot in common with Ruby. All right,
> everything is
> not an object but at least it is object-based and we have all the
> advantages of AOP, interceptors, etc. or can easily create them.
> Thinking about things, I am at odds with myself as to whether AS
> should
> be going where AS3 is taking it (much closer to Java) when Java
> programmers are trying to make Java more dynamic and lighter and
> defecting in scores to languages like Ruby.
In many ways, AS and JavaScript, let's just say ECMAscript, is
possibly the most successful and unlikely OO language ever. It lacks,
shall we say, symmetry, elegance, and power (or scalability), but in
many ways supports more pure OO concepts than AS2++ or even Java. And
it's very accessible for people who do not have extensive training in
programming, i.e. the vast majority of Flash developers.
Many of the complaints that I hear about AS1, and therefore the
reasons why AS2 and presumably AS3 are better, were things that could
have been fixed by themselves without resorting to extending the
language. In fact, simply a more strict adherence to the ECMA
standard (esp. with respect to behaviors around the undefined type)
would have made AS1 a more development friendly language.
In some ways, the push to AS2 and beyond seems to be the result of
serious programmers (like many of us on this list) delving into this
great technology. But I question whether we didn't bring too many of
our Java and C++ techniques and expectations with us. When I look at
the MM V2 component architecture, what I see is a Java or C++
approach to a UI class hierarchy. And the use of fairly clever OO
techniques in a situation where they are not actually necessary.
I see the benefit in overhauling the Flash VM to get rid some of some
historic artifacts and baggage. And it's clear that MM is looking for
"serious programmer" or "enterprise" credibility for Flash, so I
wonder if it wouldn't have been better simply to make the language
Java instead of this not quite so easy to use ActionScript that looks
and acts and reads a lot like Java.
Personally I would have settled for an improved AS1 and fixes to the
Flash authoring environment that would have made something like MTASC
unnecessary.
OK, so now I can be tied to the stake too.
-Tom
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Tom George
http://www.designaxiom.com
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Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:02:19 -0400
From: John Grden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [osflash] It's official - Red5 Demo at SPARK
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Well, I wanted to make sure I could book the flight etc, but we've been
invited to do a presentation on Red5 at Spark!
If you're thinking "Holy *?!@ Batman, that's unbelievable!!" - you're in
good company, because I could hardly believe it myself. Well, it's true, I
just booked the flight and hotel, so it's official.
So, if you're going to be at Spark this year, PLEASE come up and introduce
yourself ( not 'your elf' ) as I'd love to meet everyone who's been out here
with us and keeping us in line !
Also, it's not confirmed yet, but Luke Hubbard is trying to get over there
to do part of the presentation with me and answer the more meaningful
questions about how the server's been built and so on.
Thanks guys, I think it's a real testimony to the open source Flash
community as to the interest in what we're doing here.
Take care,
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Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:13:58 +0200
From: Peter Elst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [osflash] It's official - Red5 Demo at SPARK
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Great to hear John -- if Luke can't make it why not have have him do a
live webcam stream using Red5 ;) I owe you a couple of beers for xray, a
real lifesaver! (man, Amsterdam is going to be swamped with drunk open
source Flash guys come November *lol*)
- Peter
John Grden wrote:
> Well, I wanted to make sure I could book the flight etc, but we've
> been invited to do a presentation on Red5 at Spark!
>
> If you're thinking "Holy *?!@ Batman, that's unbelievable!!" - you're
> in good company, because I could hardly believe it myself. Well, it's
> true, I just booked the flight and hotel, so it's official.
>
> So, if you're going to be at Spark this year, PLEASE come up and
> introduce yourself ( not 'your elf' ) as I'd love to meet everyone
> who's been out here with us and keeping us in line !
>
> Also, it's not confirmed yet, but Luke Hubbard is trying to get over
> there to do part of the presentation with me and answer the more
> meaningful questions about how the server's been built and so on.
>
> Thanks guys, I think it's a real testimony to the open source Flash
> community as to the interest in what we're doing here.
>
> Take care,
>
> --
> John Grden - Blitz
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Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:24:09 -0400
From: John Grden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [osflash] It's official - Red5 Demo at SPARK
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LOL, no doubt, I'll take those beers ;)
Yeah, guess we should put our free time (or lack there of) where our mouths
are eh?
Also, it's not confirmed, but Stewarts trying to fit a slot in for an Xray
workshop
On 10/22/05, Peter Elst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Great to hear John -- if Luke can't make it why not have have him do a
> live webcam stream using Red5 ;) I owe you a couple of beers for xray, a
> real lifesaver! (man, Amsterdam is going to be swamped with drunk open
> source Flash guys come November *lol*)
>
> - Peter
>
>
> John Grden wrote:
>
> Well, I wanted to make sure I could book the flight etc, but we've been
> invited to do a presentation on Red5 at Spark!
>
> If you're thinking "Holy *?!@ Batman, that's unbelievable!!" - you're in
> good company, because I could hardly believe it myself. Well, it's true, I
> just booked the flight and hotel, so it's official.
>
> So, if you're going to be at Spark this year, PLEASE come up and introduce
> yourself ( not 'your elf' ) as I'd love to meet everyone who's been out
here
> with us and keeping us in line !
>
> Also, it's not confirmed yet, but Luke Hubbard is trying to get over there
> to do part of the presentation with me and answer the more meaningful
> questions about how the server's been built and so on.
>
> Thanks guys, I think it's a real testimony to the open source Flash
> community as to the interest in what we're doing here.
>
> Take care,
>
> --
> John Grden - Blitz
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:42:40 -0400
From: John Grden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [osflash] RED5 demo dist request for mirrors.
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wow, thanks to all who've offered mirrors like this, I can't tell you how
cool it is to see the help everyone has offered!
Thanks for helping out!
John
On 10/22/05, Tim Knip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Luke,
>
> http://osflash.suite75.net/red5/red5_demo.zip
>
> Cheers.
>
> Tim K
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*Namens
> *Alias
> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 22 oktober 2005 18:26
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> *Onderwerp:* Re: [osflash] RED5 demo dist request for mirrors.
>
> Luke,
>
> http://www.proalias.com/red5_demo.zip
>
> HTH,
> Alias
>
> On 10/21/05, *Maciek Wci?lik* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello Luke,
>
> http://inou.pl/downloads/red5_demo.zip
>
> > Can people who have big servers please mirror this file then send me
> back the url.
> > I will post all the mirrors during the conference but want people to get
> a good fast download.
>
> > http://review.codegent.net/opensource/red5_demo.zip
>
> > -- Luke
>
> br,
> maciek
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