This sounds promising. However the devil is always in the details. A demo would be very instructive as to the usefulness and show the real promise.
-Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:57 AM To: Open Source Flash Mailing List Subject: Re: [osflash] An Aflax Javaflash Integration Demo Point taken. My original goal was not to be harsh but instructive. It is empirically obvious that I have failed in that goal, breaking my own requests for clear descriptive communication. Perhaps I will be more clear and less seemingly harsh after a good lunch and a few more bugs squashed. Regards Hank On 12/6/05, Jim Tann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Damn, thought I had cooled down this thread with my silly squelch question. I > personally think that you have a point the original email was unclear but the > tone of your response's are a bit harsh and that is all this thread is about > now. > > Just my opinion > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of hank williams > Sent: 06 December 2005 16:22 > To: Open Source Flash Mailing List > Subject: Re: [osflash] An Aflax Javaflash Integration Demo > > This is a free country. > > Well Ok I am in America which is relatively free, but that is besides the > point. > > No one is forced to do anything. I am not in charge of anything. Just one > voice. > > But my point is that presumably you do these projects because you wish > to build a community. You wish to do good. You wish to have your work > seen and understood. I believe sometimes people get so caught up in > the "coolness" of what they are doing that they do not stop to think > about *how* they are communicating and whether it will achieve their > goals. > > Of course if the goal is not to build a community of users then why > post. But if it is, it seems to me useful for people, who may not > think much about communications, to hear, in detail, why what they are > doing is not as effective as it could be. > > In truth most everyone here is a programmer. As someone who has > managed many programmers in my life (as well as being a programmer), I > can say that often quality communications is not at the top of the > list of a programmers priorities. But when building an open source > project which you hope people will adopt, some effort at decent > communications is, in my opinion, useful. > > Regards > Hank > > On 12/6/05, Sönke Rohde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Then simply write "I did not get it can you explain more detailed > > what this Javaflash thing is all about? " instead of forcing him to > > write better postings with all sources and links etc. included ;) > > People should post things here as they like to and don't be afraid > > of that somebody doesn't understand it perfectly ... > > Look my last sentence: I am sure my english isn't perfect but I am > > not afraid of writing ;) > > > > Cheers, > > Sönke > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von hank williams > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Dezember 2005 14:05 > > > An: Open Source Flash Mailing List > > > Betreff: Re: [osflash] An Aflax Javaflash Integration Demo > > > > > > My point is pretty simple. > > > > > > I dont get it. > > > > > > I dont know if I was intended to. If so, then further explanation > > > is required. > > > > > > Regards > > > Hank > > > > > > On 12/6/05, Johan Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Hank, > > > > > > > > I have no involvement in neither of these two projects. I just > > > > think they're really cool :) > > > > > > > > I agree with you in that the email may not have been the most > > > > descriptive and is giving you the uninitiated reader or > > > someone who've > > > > never heard of AFLAX or javaflash before, too "geeky" > > > > installation details in one go. > > > > > > > > I just don't agree with the following sentence and nothing else: > > > > > > > > >..and there is no explanation of what your demo does, and no > > > > >link to anything running. > > > > > > > > The part about no link to anything running got me going and > > > > hence my email showing you the links to the AFLAX demo stuff. > > > > > > > > I thought the link below with the demo of AFLAX/javaflash > > > integration > > > > was quite clear: > > > > > > > > >The demo is on the trunk in > > > > > > > >http://dctc.sjtu.edu.cn:81/svn/wonder/trunk/javaflash/src/jav > > > a/sjtu/dctc/wonder/javaflash/demo/AflaxDemo.java > > > > > > > > Granted, I agree that the latter assumes you know about > > > these projects. > > > > > > > > Sorry, if I came across as being rude, that was not my intention. > > > > > > > > I hope we're sort of "agreeing to dis-agreeing" here ;-) > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > /Johan > > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On 12/6/05, Johan Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't totally agree Hank. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure what you could possibly disagree with in my > > > statement. > > > > > Do you disagree that one should describe what they are doing > > > > > and provide example links in the email??? > > > > > > > > > > > I just took a look, with great interest I might add, on > > > this page and > > > > > > I'm impressed by this effort. They've made it clear > > > this is early > > > > > > alpha too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Early alpha or beta, or pre operational is irrelevant to > > > whether you > > > > > can construct a clear email. > > > > > > > > > > There may be a number of people who are involved in what > > > he is doing > > > > > and "get it" without any explanation. Maybe I am not > > > smart enough but > > > > > with the info he provided in that email, I am not among them. > > > > > > > > > > I dont see any basis for disagreement unless you are just > > > saying that > > > > > there is really plenty of info there and demos and feature > > > > > descriptions are unnecessary. > > > > > > > > > > > Check out this page and see for yourself: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aflax.org/#demos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the aflax page is interesting, but his email was about **** > > > > > JAVAFLASH***, and all of my questions are about that. > > > > > > > > > > > Click on any of the examples and view the source! > > > > > > > > > > > > This are the steps: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Add a flash bootstrap > > > > > > 2) Code some Javascript > > > > > > 3) Voila your swf is done! Without using the IDE or > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again... the email is about javaflash. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > > > > > > > /Johan > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Steven, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your email suggests a bunch of concepts that are > > > totally unclear to > > > > > > > me, eg javaflash, and there is no explanation of what > > > your demo does, > > > > > > > and no link to anything running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW if you want to demo something, the best way is a > > > simple link to > > > > > > > the running thing or something that *shows* what your > > > thing does. If > > > > > > > this is not possible because the thing you are doing > > > is too low level > > > > > > > (like a sorting algorithm or something) then you > > > should provide a > > > > > > > simple clear explanation of what it is that your > > > thing does. All your > > > > > > > email provides is a complex description of some internals > > > > > > > only relevant to someone who is already familiar with your > > > project, and a > > > > > > > description of some incredibly geeky installation > > > instructions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps your goal was only to speak to a few people > > > who you already > > > > > > > know or who already know your work, but in that case > > > it doesnt seem > > > > > > > like using the general mailing list would be appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, I presume that you would like people to > > > check out your > > > > > > > stuff, and if you do, a demo link and some clear > > > description of what > > > > > > > it does and the benefits would be great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way I did also click on the javaflash wiki > > > link where I also > > > > > > > couldnt find any example links, and I was unclear as > > > to whether you > > > > > > > have just implemented a java container for the flash > > > plugin, or you > > > > > > > are claiming to have re-implemented flash. You talk > > > about supporting > > > > > > > all the features of flash 8 which isnt relevant if > > > you have just > > > > > > > implemented a container since the feature set is > > > defined by the flash > > > > > > > player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, Steven Gong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I have just made an interesting Aflax Javaflash > > > integration demo. Thanks to > > > > > > > > the power of Rhino, I didn't do any extra work to > > > enable this. :-) > > > > > > > > The demo is on the trunk in > > > > > > > > > > > http://dctc.sjtu.edu.cn:81/svn/wonder/trunk/javaflash/src/java > > > /sjtu/dctc/wonder/javaflash/demo/AflaxDemo.java > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some modifications to Aflax are needed to in order > > > to make it work in > > > > > > > > Javaflash: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, the original Aflax library 0.33 uses > > > 'callback' parameter in url to > > > > > > > > decide the callback but it does not work locally, > > > so we sticked the callback > > > > > > > > to 'main'. This needs to modify aflax.as and we > > > have provided a modified > > > > > > > > version of swf in > > > > > > > > > > > http://dctc.sjtu.edu.cn:81/svn/wonder/trunk/javaflash/misc/Afl > > > ax-JF.swf > > > > > > > > and the diff of as in > > > > > > > > > > > http://dctc.sjtu.edu.cn:81/svn/wonder/trunk/javaflash/misc/afl > > > ax.as.diff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, you need to modify the callback name in > > > examples to 'main' which > > > > > > > > in some cases was 'go'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, you need to copy aflax.js into > > > > > > > > $JAVAFLASH_HOME/misc The main class needs one parameter > > > > > > > > for the location > > > of your js file. For > > > > > > > > example, the example 'drawing2' of Aflax has a js > > > file 'drawing2.js'. You > > > > > > > > need to copy the drawing2.js somewhere, modify it > > > and set up the location of > > > > > > > > it to the parameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are done here. But that will be more. You can > > > add Java calls to JS now. > > > > > > > > Enjoy! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOTICE: Examples that use extra js libs and HTML > > > DOM methods are not > > > > > > > > supported in Javaflash and those examples may not > > > work properly. If you want > > > > > > > > to run the video example, you need to copy the flv > > > file to a location and > > > > > > > > modify the path in JS to be relative to the > > > location of Aflax-JF.swf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > Steven Gong > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > osflash mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > osflash mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > osflash mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > osflash mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > _______________________________________________ osflash mailing list [email protected] http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org _______________________________________________ osflash mailing list [email protected] http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org
