Till,

"BIG COOPERATE GARBAGE MACHINE" is not necessarily pointed at Adobe. Take it 
as a generic term for ..., ..., ..., ..., fill in the blank.

I never stated they were trying to take over the open source landscape. You 
did.

Ben Forta Adobe what? did you put the words Adobe in there? I don't see that 
on the website.

Tin hat? Hey everyone look at the crazy who asks questions!

Hey the USS Liberty must have been attacked by Egypt how dare I think it was 
Israel.

Sorry for questioning what looks fishy. I should have taken my place in line. 
I will only speak when spoken to. Point taken Till. I see there are several 
people out there that want to jump on me for questioning motives.

Nothing strange here folks just keep on moving along.

Hey I have an idea. Adobe support an already thriving community with support. 
Take a bit of a helpers roll. (I am not talking about a couple of guys 
posting projects from Adobe and answering a few questions). What about 
throwing some funding towards OSFlash.org to see things grow there. Why 
RIAForge. OSFlash is already doing a great job. I am sure that there is going 
to be some that say this is just for the best. Well than OK.

I now see why Richard Stallman gets so upset.

On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:10 pm, Till Schneidereit wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I think you should either just let it go, or post some proof for your
> allegations. Or at least point out what lets you believe in some sort of
> conspiracy. And you'd have to do better than pointing out that the domain
> is owned by Adobe, because there wasn't ever any doubt about Adobe being
> involved in setting up RIAForge - hell, they even state right there on the
> "About" page that it was devised by (Adobe's) Ben Forta.[1] Concluding, I
> want to emphasize that I don't want to say that it's impossible that
> there's a "BIG COOPERATE GARBAGE MACHINE" devising devilish plans to take
> over the Flash open source landscape. I'm just saying that there really
> aren't any substantive signs for that being the case. Anyway, maybe you
> should keep your tinfoil hat on to prevent our new overlords from
> controlling you ;)
>
> cheers,
> till
>
>
> [1]: http://www.riaforge.org/index.cfm?event=page.about
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I have nothing against Adobe I actually think they have some really cool
> > software and they have started some great stuff. Just a little strange
> > that Ray would have to use their Domain created just recently. It is not
> > like Ray was in the corner and Adobe had to bail him out with the only
> > domain available.
> >
> > If Adobe wants to start an Open Source thing up then say so. Don't hide
> > in the bushes and let Ray take any falls that are coming.
> >
> > I am sick of big corporate crap. I absolutely hate it. This just stinks
> > of some corporate board room meeting whose topic was "Dealing with the
> > Open Source Threat".
> >
> > People can say anything they want about it but I just can't stand the
> > garbage games.
> >
> > If people want to say lets just find ways to work together with them.
> > Well it is not a matter of working together with them. They need to work
> > together with us. What is more agreeable than an Open Source Project. No
> > one is ever saying we won't work with you. It is the "BIG COOPERATE
> > GARBAGE MACHINE" that wants to be fed.
> >
> > I run a business that has developed both closed and open source software.
> > I know what it is like while debating to launch your software, what is
> > the best license to use. Just stop it with the Microsoft/SCO secret agent
> > games. I suppose it will never stop as long as money is involved.
> >
> >
> > Last thing... Good job to all you Open Source programmers. Without you we
> > would be in a really bad computing state. I love Linux and Open Source
> > and am very greatfull for the way it has opened my eyes to corporate
> > evil.
> >
> > HEY THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN MONEY!
> >
> > Chris Cherrett
> >
> > On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:35 am, Peter Elst wrote:
> >> Its on the about page of RIAForge.com:
> >>
> >> <quote> RIAForge was the brainchild of Ben Forta. The principal
> >> developer for the project is Raymond Camden
> >> <http://ray.camdenfamily.com></quote>
> >>
> >> Domain name ownership has been brought up before, so what we owns the
> >> domain or runs the thing -- Adobe takes an open source initiative and
> >> all of a sudden its some conspiracy or an attempt to assassinate a
> >> community?
> >>
> >> Let's just find ways to work together.
> >>
> >> - Peter
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> by the way ray is suppose to be the guy who started riaforge.
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:24 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>>> Hey check out:
> >>>> http://ray.camdenfamily.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> then:
> >>>> http://www.riaforge.org
> >>>>
> >>>> One looks like a quick install of a template and the other looks like
> >>>> a design team worked on it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Too funny!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:19 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>>>> Whois is great!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And the verdict is Adobe!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was not really following the thread but if someone already found
> >>>>> this then sorry.......
> >>
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