ooppss, sorry , yes competitor... misformed open source language ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Debreuil To: 'Open Source Flash Mailing List' Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [osflash] ES4 Dropped
oh sorry, you probably meant Java is 'more a competitor than a partner' - I should have got that the first time, I was pre caffeine : ). That is probably true, but open standards should allow everyone to move beyond that. Obviously they don't, something to think about.. I wonder how you could get around that. Maybe declaring something a 'dead language' or 'dead technology', like say with latin (or C : )and the benefits that has. Cheers, Robin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Infos E-Blokos Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:57 PM To: Open Source Flash Mailing List Subject: Re: [osflash] ES4 Dropped because first java is not open source really, second java is more a concurrent that a partner... and it's also political i think.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Debreuil To: 'Open Source Flash Mailing List' Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [osflash] ES4 Dropped Yeah, I use it too (I even worked at Aptana, which is a JS IDE). We use it because we have no choice. We try to use it to do fancy stuff and spend most of our days debugging issues that originate in the language. Its not that it doesn't have a place, just its place is <500 lines of code, aka rollover buttons. And yes I know many JS projects have >500 lines of code, so do many assembly programs, that doesn't mean it is suited. Its great staying power comes down to 'it is a great way to prevent OS level apps from emerging on the net'. Notice (almost) no one uses it on the back end, where you have a choice, in spite of it being everyone's natural first choice (in that it matches your browser language). JS is holding everyone back, I hope is just goes away. AS3 is almost there, but personally I have no idea why Adobe didn't/doesn't go with Java for the second advanced language. Cheers, Robin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Pike Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:53 AM To: Open Source Flash Mailing List Subject: Re: [osflash] ES4 Dropped That's a bit dismissive of JS, considering I am sitting here integrating my own Flash stuff with SWFAddress and the browser whilst also making JWPlayer talk to my Flash instances too... Sadly standards are often driven by the people with the biggest user bases, so unless we cause problems for Adobe over this, stuff may not happen. On a positive note though, people power often works - consider the "Adobe Make Some Noise" campaign. I think they are more willing to listen and the Flash community is certainly quite vocal. I would love to see Silverlight developers kicking MS butt in a few years :) Glen Robin Debreuil wrote: I think the Adobe link says AS3 will not be dropped -- it is a bit hard to parse though : ). Javascript dropped the ball about 5 years ago anyway, so let it stick to roll over buttons. Cheers, Robin -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicolas Cannasse Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:35 AM To: osflash@osflash.org Subject: [osflash] ES4 Dropped Hi list, As you maybe know, work on ECMAScript4, which was the future standard on which Adobe was putting efforts in (in order not to have AS3 being called a "proprietary language"), has been dropped. A few links on the subject : http://ncannasse.free.fr/?p=82 http://whydoeseverythingsuck.com/2008/08/ru-roh-adobe-screwed-by-ecmascript. html http://blogs.adobe.com/open/2008/08/blog_entry_dated_81408_715_pm.html Best, Nicolas _______________________________________________ osflash mailing list osflash@osflash.org http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org _______________________________________________ osflash mailing list osflash@osflash.org http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org -- Glen Pike 01326 218440 www.glenpike.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ osflash mailing list osflash@osflash.org http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ osflash mailing list osflash@osflash.org http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org
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