Tim,

Based on your referenced javadoc, some more googling, I used and adapted
from our own current tracker and supplier to create some Prototype
versions. Tests are showing correct results, but this is not directly using
the PrototypeServiceFactory, so I would appreciate a very quick
confirmation that I'm not missing anything.

Thanks

Alain


On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM Alain Picard <pic...@castortech.com> wrote:

> Thanks! I actually saw that being called by ComponentServiceObjects while
> perusing the code.
>
> Alain
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:52 AM Tim Ward <tim.w...@paremus.com> wrote:
>
>> Registering a prototype service is almost as easy as registering a
>> singleton service. Instead of registering a single object you register an
>> instance of PrototypeServiceFactory
>> <https://osgi.org/javadoc/r6/core/org/osgi/framework/PrototypeServiceFactory.html>.
>> This will get called by the framework to get and release instances as
>> needed.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 16:49, Alain Picard <pic...@castortech.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> This helps quite a bit and clarifies a few points for me. As someone who
>> is migrating from a pre-DS environment and dealing with lots of legacy, how
>> can prototype scoped services be used outside of DS? That would be
>> fantastic. Right now we have a good solution to use singleton services
>> outside of DS but not for "factory" type services.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Alain
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:27 AM Tim Ward <tim.w...@paremus.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alain,
>>>
>>> A "Prototype scoped" service is one where the client(s) can request an
>>> arbitrary number of instances of the “same” service, whereas a
>>> ComponentFactory is a mechanism for the clients to request an arbitrary
>>> number of differently configured component instances.
>>>
>>> From the perspective of the component the key difference is that all of
>>> the instances of a prototype scoped component have the same component
>>> properties, and the instances created by the factory component have the
>>> combination of these component properties *plus* the properties passed to
>>> the factory.
>>>
>>> In some senses prototype scoped services are better because they:
>>>
>>>
>>>    - Don’t require the service implementation to use DS (they may wish
>>>    to use something else)
>>>    - Will have satisfied references and configurations (component
>>>    factories can be given configuration which invalidates the registration
>>>    resulting in an error)
>>>
>>>
>>> The main reason that you would use a Component Factory rather than a
>>> prototype scoped service is if you genuinely want to have different
>>> specialised configurations for each instance, and it doesn’t make sense to
>>> use a managed service factory (i.e. the customised instances are only
>>> interesting to one client, or must not be shared for some reason).
>>>
>>> If your instances are identically configured (or can be, with an init
>>> later) then a ComponentServiceObjects getService() call should be all you
>>> need each time you need a new instance, followed by a call to
>>> ungetService() later when you’re done with it.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 12:06, Alain Picard <pic...@castortech.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On the 2nd part of the question regarding
>>> ComponentFactory/ComponentInstance vs Prototype/ComponentServiceObjects. I
>>> get the feeling that CSO should be favored, but I saw an old post from
>>> Scott Lewis about configuration and that is a bit close to some of my use
>>> cases.
>>>
>>> I have cases where I have a Factory component that delivers instances
>>> and calls an init method to configure the component, or might sometimes
>>> return an existing matching one that is already cached (like per data
>>> connection instances). With ComponentFactory I can create a new instance,
>>> call init on the new instance and return the ComponentInstance. The caller
>>> can then call getInstance and call dispose when done. I struggle to find a
>>> correct/easy way to do this with CSO. Am I using the best approach or not?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Alain
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 3:46 AM Tim Ward via osgi-dev <
>>> osgi-dev@mail.osgi.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Aug 2018, at 20:53, Paul F Fraser via osgi-dev <
>>>> osgi-dev@mail.osgi.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 22/08/2018 5:40 AM, Paul F Fraser via osgi-dev wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 21/08/2018 10:00 PM, Tim Ward via osgi-dev wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Have you looked at what the OSC project does? It uses Vaadin, and uses
>>>> the ViewProvider interface to provide view instances. These automatically
>>>> have a detach listener added on creation so that they get correctly
>>>> disposed when their parent container is closed.
>>>>
>>>> See
>>>> https://github.com/opensecuritycontroller/osc-core/blob/4441c96fe49e4b11ce6f380a440367912190a246/osc-ui/src/main/java/org/osc/core/broker/view/OSCViewProvider.java#L60-L67
>>>>  for
>>>> details.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>> The R7 Spec 112.3.6 states that "SCR must unget any unreleased service
>>>> objects" and it sounds to me that the system is supposed to clean itself 
>>>> up.
>>>> What am I missing.
>>>>
>>>> What am I missing?
>>>>
>>>> Apart from a question mark.. that is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> You are correct in your interpretation of the specification, however…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. This only happens if you use ComponentServiceObjects, not
>>>>    ServiceObjects (which is why this type was added to the DS spec). If you
>>>>    use ServiceObjects directly then SCR cannot reference count them and 
>>>> cannot
>>>>    help you.
>>>>    2. The “leaked” instances are only cleaned up when your component
>>>>    is disposed by SCR (for example if it becomes unsatisfied).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In this case we *are* using ComponentServiceObjects (good) but we need
>>>> to dispose of the referenced instance when the UI view is closed.
>>>>
>>>> If we left it up to SCR to clean up, and our component wasn’t
>>>> deactivated/disposed between UI sessions then we would have a memory leak.
>>>> In general when you use ComponentServiceObjects you should think about the
>>>> lifecycle of the objects you create, and how they are going to be released.
>>>> In this case the component may get an arbitrarily large (and increasing)
>>>> number of instances over time, so it must also dispose of them. If the
>>>> example just grabbed 2 (or 5, or 10) instances at activation and used them
>>>> until deactivation then it would not be necessary to release them (SCR
>>>> would do it for us).
>>>>
>>>> I hope that this makes sense,
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul Fraser
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