Basically, Italians admit that they had not pre-warned the Americans that
they were coming through the checkpoint.  There is no controversy here.

Bruce

 
NEWS HOUR WITH JIM LEHRER PBS TV
6:00 PM MAY 3, 2005

Controversy over Death of Italian Secret Agent

JIM LEHRER: Next, the conflicting American and Italian reports on the death
of an Italian agent in Iraq.

Kwame Holman begins with some background.

KWAME HOLMAN: Some facts are not in dispute. Nicola Calipari, an Italian
secret agent, was killed in March by U.S. troops at a highway checkpoint on
the notoriously dangerous road to the Baghdad Airport. Calipari was
escorting an Italian hostage he had just helped free, journalist Giuliana
Sgrena. Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi presented the news to a country
that just was beginning to celebrate Sgrena's release.

ITALIAN PRIME MINISTER SILVIO BERLUSCONI [Translated]: The car came to an
American checkpoint. A crossfire started. Several shots hit the car. The
chief police officer, Nicola Calipari, covered Ms. Sgrena with his body and
was unfortunately hit by a mortal bullet. A piece of shrapnel hit Ms. Sgrena
on her left shoulder.

HOLMAN: The Italians were outraged at Calipari's death and mourned openly at
vigils around the country.

UNIDENTIFIED ITALIAN MOURNER [Translated]: This person who died had a deep
sense of duty, and we need people like that. He was not a hero. He just was
a hard worker who had a deep sense of duty. And that's very important.

HOLMAN: His funeral became a state occasion and drew the nation's leaders
and massive crowds to Rome. The national reaction put added pressure on
Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi to withdraw Italy's 3,000 troops from
Iraq. Two weeks later, he suggested some phased withdrawals might begin
later in the year.

Initially, the U.S. and Italy launched a joint investigation into the
shooting as both Americans and Italians took turns searching the
bullet-ridden car for answers. But they could not agree on conclusions and
issued separate reports.

The American report was issued Saturday with many portions blacked out for
security reasons. Because of a computer glitch, the entire document soon was
available on numerous websites. It exonerated seven U.S. soldiers at the
checkpoint and said Calipari's car was speeding and its driver ignored a
warning shot.

But Giuliana Sgrena, who was a passenger in the car, disputed that.

GUILIANA SGRENA [Translated]: The Pentagon says that the American soldiers
have no responsibility since they respected all the rules. They also affirm
that they used every possible means to stop us and we didn't, so they shot
us. This is absolutely untrue. There was no alert.

HOLMAN: The Italian government report issued late last night dominated the
Italian press today. It blamed American troops, describing them as stressed
and inexperienced, and it criticized the American roadblock procedures.

LEHRER: And to Margaret Warner.

MARGARET WARNER: For more on the competing versions of this event, we turn
to two reporters covering the U.S. and Italian investigations. Ann Scott
Tyson covers the Pentagon for The Washington Post. And Maurizio Molinari is
a columnist for the Italian newspaper La Stampa.

Welcome to you both.

Ann Tyson, should we read the U.S. report as a complete exoneration of what
the American soldiers did that night?

ANN SCOTT TYSON [The Washington Post]: I don't think you could say it's
complete. I mean it did not recommend any kind of punishment of the
soldiers. That wasn't really its intent. It did, though, say that there
should be a thorough review of checkpoint procedures to insure that there
were clear warning signs, and as well as the procedures for setting up what
they call blocking positions to stop vehicles at a adequate distance and
give them appropriate warning.

So certainly that was a major conclusion of the U.S. investigation.

WARNER: And Maurizio Molinari, the Italian report went further and really
faults the soldiers themselves.

MAURIZIO MOLINARI [La Stampa]: Yes, this is correct. According to the
Italian report, the responsibility of the soldiers was in the fact that they
lacked the essential experience to manage this kind of checkpoint.

WARNER: Meaning what? That they overreacted?

MOLINARI: No, that they were not able to deal with an emergency situation.
According to the text, the Italian text, we are speaking about a group of
soldiers that almost just arrived in that position, and they had no
experience to deal with a surprise situation. And more than this, the other
thing that the Italians are pointing out is that in the proximity of this
checking point, there were not enough clear signs showing that the soldiers
were there, so meaning that the car that was coming with Nicola Calipari and
Giuliana Sgrena, the other 007, had no way to know that the soldiers were
there.

WARNER: And Ann Tyson, how does the American report deal with this question
of whether these soldiers were too young, were inexperienced in that field?

TYSON: Well, it doesn't indicate that they were young or inexperienced. I
mean the U.S. report presents a context. It does describe in great detail
the dangers that U.S. troops have faced on that road, the number of times -
and some of this is in a classified section that was inadvertently
released - the number of attacks that this unit and others had experienced
on the road. It also provides some interesting detail in saying that the
unit was to establish a blocking position for the passage of the U.S.
ambassador. And they were also in that position for much longer than they
expected to be.

Now, that did contribute to a sense of nervousness, because the commander of
those U.S. forces felt that if his troops were in a static position for
longer than 15 minutes, that they could be at risk. And they were there for
well over an hour.

So I think that the report does reflect that there's a clear sense of danger
and that the troops may have been somewhat nervous. But they had been there
for a while. They had stopped already dozens of vehicles. So it's sort of a
mixed picture providing a lot of context.

TYSON: Maurizio, one big point of contention when this happened in March was
the degree of communication. And the Italians initially were insisting that
they had kept the American military authorities fully informed of Mr.
Calipari's movements, what he was up to, that they were on their way to the
airport. I think Berlusconi even said that to the Italian Parliament. But I
gather the report does not confirm that.

MOLINARI: This is a key point. According to the Italian report, the Italian
authorities on the field, they did inform the Americans about the presence
of Calipari and the other 007, but they did not give to the Americans the
details of their missions, meaning that the Americans knew that two 007
Italians were there, were doing something, but they didn't know what was
going on, I mean the liberation of Giuliani Sgrena itself.

WARNER: And why not? Why didn't the Italians keep the Americans fully
informed, particularly given how dangerous the situation was and how they
wanted to get to the airport quickly?

MOLINARI: The report doesn't explain why the Italian authorities did not
give the details of the mission. What we can speculate is that because the
Italian policy has been to pay ransom, and so meaning to do agreements with
the insurgency and the kidnappers, they didn't want to tell it to the
Americans because they were fearing that maybe the Americans could intervene
and so break down the agreements, making the agreement collapse and risking
the life of Giuliani Sgrena herself.

WARNER: Ann Tyson, going back then to the events at the scene as they're
unfolding, I gather there is some difference in the two versions, or two
reports on the speed of the car. But other than that, you're saying not a
big difference on things like whether the checkpoint was adequately marked,
or the nature of the checkpoint. Or, how about the warning shots? Was there
a difference on that?

TYSON: Well, I would say, in terms of the speed, yes, there has been a
difference in reports. I mean the U.S. soldiers at the scene estimated about
50 miles per hour, and I think some Italian reports, at least, indicated
there was a slower speed.

In terms of warnings, the U.S. report indicates the soldiers flashed lights,
shouted, then shot shots off to the side, and then aiming for the engine
block of the vehicle. And I believe that is at odds also with the Italian
account, saying there was essentially little to no warning.

WARNER: Mr. Molinari, do you want - are there big differences between the
two reports on what actually happened at the same scene?

MOLINARI: No. I believe the three main differences are about the experience
of the soldiers, the presence of science in the proximity with the
checkpoint, and the question of communications, while in reality on the
communication, the two sides are saying almost the same thing, I mean,
because the Americans are saying we didn't know anything about Sgrena, and
the Italians are saying we didn't give them the details. So essentially here
on this point, there is no difference here at all.

WARNER: And yet the Italian government has made a major point of having this
separate report, not joining the U.S. report. Why?

MOLINARI: Well, the official reason and the declared reason is that they
didn't find a common agreement on who was responsible for what. But the
impression of many observers here is that actually there is an interest of
the Italian government, or could be an interest of the Italian government to
have a clash with the U.S. administration. The Berlusconi government has
been weakened a lot by the result of the last local elections, and he's
facing a new political legislative election in the spring of 2006. There may
be some tensions. Some friction with the U.S. administration could help
Berlusconi's government in this face [sic].

WARNER: And are Italian authorities also saying that this incident or the
competing reports will hasten in any way the timetable for this phased
withdrawal that at least Berlusconi has said he might consider doing, I
think, by the end of the year?

MOLINARI: The Italian authorities are not making any linkage between the
Calipari event, that tragic death, and the withdrawal of the troops from
Iraq, as they are not making any link between what happened to Mr. Calipari
and the strong alliance with the U.S. And this also shows they're willing to
keep a stronger relationship with the U.S. and the Bush administration while
having a fight on a single issue that is the Calipari death.

WARNER: And Ann Tyson, do American authorities at the Pentagon think that
this incident, this tragedy, is going to affect the relationship between
Italy and the U.S., and particularly the willingness of Italy to remain in
Iraq?

TYSON: Well, I think they certainly hope that it won't. I mean there has
been somewhat of a decline in the coalition participation in Iraq, certainly
from the standpoint of coalition forces. And you know, they'd like to hold
onto any they can.

WARNER: Ann Tyson, Maurizio Molinari, thank you both.




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