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Special Dispatch Series - No. 1121
March 22, 2006   No.1121        
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Renowned Syrian Poet "Adonis": The Arabs are Extinct, Like the Sumerians,
Greeks, and Pharaohs; If the Arabs are So Inept They Cannot Be Democratic,
External Intervention Will Not Make Them So


The poet Ali Ahmad Sa'id (b. 1930), known by his pseudonym "Adonis," a 2005
candidate for the Nobel Prize for Literature, left his native Syria for
Lebanon in the 1950s following six months' imprisonment for political
activity. In 1973, he received his Ph.D. from St. JosephUniversity in
Beirut; in 1985, he settled in Paris, where he now works as a writer and
literary critic. Among other occupations, he has edited the modernist
magazine Mawaqif (Viewpoints), and translated some of the great French poets
into Arabic. 
The following are excerpts from an interview with Syrian poet "Adonis,"
aired on Dubai TV on March 11, 2006. 
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Adonis: "Words are treated as a crime today. Throughout history, there has
never been anything similar to what's happening today in our Arab society -
when you say a word, it is like committing a crime." 
Interviewer: "True." 
Adonis: "Words and opinions are treated as a crime. This is inconceivable." 
Interviewer: "You can be arrested for writing an article." 
Adonis: "That's one example." 
[...] 
"In the Koran itself, it says that Allah listened to his first enemy, Satan,
and Satan refused to obey him. I believe that Allah was capable of wiping
out Satan, yet He listened to Satan's refusal to obey Him. 
"At the very least, we demand that Muslims today listen to people with
different opinions." 
[...] 
Interviewer: "How do you view the plan for democracy, the 'Greater Middle
East' plan?" 
Adonis: "First of all, I oppose any external intervention in Arab affairs.
If the Arabs are so inept that they cannot be democratic by themselves, they
can never be democratic through the intervention of others. 
"If we want to be democratic, we must be so by ourselves. But the
preconditions for democracy do not exist in Arab society, and cannot exist
unless religion is reexamined in a new and accurate way, and unless religion
becomes a personal and spiritual experience, which must be respected. 
"On the other hand, all issues pertaining to civil and human affairs must be
left up to the law and to the people themselves." 
Interviewer: "Mr. Adonis, how do you view the democracy in Palestine, which
brought Hamas to power?" 
Adonis: "I support it, but I oppose the establishment of any state on the
basis of religion, even if it's done by Hamas." 
Interviewer: "Even if it liberates Palestine?" 
Adonis: "Yes, because in such a case, it would be my duty to fight this
religious state." 
[.] 
Interviewer: "What are the reasons for growing glorification of
dictatorships - sometimes in the name of pan-Arabism, and other times in the
name of rejecting foreigners? The glorification comes even from the elites,
as can be seen, for example, in the Saddam Hussein trial, and in all the
people who support him." 
Adonis: "This phenomenon is very dangerous, and I believe it has to do with
the concept of 'oneness,' which is reflected - in practical or political
terms - in the concept of the hero, the savior, or the leader. This concept
offers an inner sense of security to people who are afraid of freedom. Some
human beings are afraid of freedom." 
Interviewer: "Because it is synonymous with anarchy?" 
Adonis: "No, because being free is a great burden. It is by no means easy." 
Interviewer: "You've got to have a boss..." 
Adonis: "When you are free, you have to face reality, the world in its
entirety. You have to deal with the world's problems, with everything..." 
Interviewer: "With all the issues..." 
Adonis: "On the other hand, if we are slaves, we can be content and not have
to deal with anything. Just as Allah solves all our problems, the dictator
will solve all our problems." 
[...] 
"I don't understand what is happening in Arab society today. I don't know
how to interpret this situation, except by making the following hypothesis:
When I look at the Arab world, with all its resources, the capacities of
Arab individuals, especially abroad - you will find among them great
philosophers, scientists, engineers, and doctors. In other words, the Arab
individual is no less smart, no less a genius, than anyone else in the
world. He can excel - but only outside his society. I have nothing against
the individuals - only against the institutions and the regimes. 
"If I look at the Arabs, with all their resources and great capacities, and
I compare what they have achieved over the past century with what others
have achieved in that period, I would have to say that we Arabs are in a
phase of extinction, in the sense that we have no creative presence in the
world." 
Interviewer: "Are we on the brink of extinction, or are we already extinct?"

Adonis: "We have become extinct. We have the quantity. We have the masses of
people, but a people becomes extinct when it no longer has a creative
capacity, and the capacity to change its world." 
[...] 
"The great Sumerians became extinct, the great Greeks became extinct, and
the Pharaohs became extinct. The clearest sign of this extinction is when we
intellectuals continue to think in the context of this extinction." 
Interviewer: "That is very dangerous." 
Adonis: "That is our real intellectual crisis. We are facing a new world
with ideas that no longer exist, and in a context that is obsolete. We must
sever ourselves completely from that context, on all levels, and think of a
new Arab identity, a new culture, and a new Arab society." 
[...] 
"Imagine that Arab societies had no Western influence. What would be left?
The Muslims must..." 
Interviewer: "What would be left?" 
Adonis: "Nothing. Nothing would be left except for the mosque, the church,
and commerce, of course." 
[...] 
"The Muslims today - forgive me for saying this - with their accepted
interpretation [of the religious text], are the first to destroy Islam,
whereas those who criticize the Muslims - the non-believers, the infidels,
as they call them - are the ones who perceive in Islam the vitality that
could adapt it to life. These infidels serve Islam better than the
believers."


  
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