Just normal behavior for Muslims...and yes, they get it from Islam which they get from the mosques. Until the authorities and the press stop dancing around this issue, nothing will be solved and nothing will change.
Bruce http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060606/1019852.asp As with the Lackawanna Six, mosque raises passion of young ________________________________ Storefront center in Ontario shows again that radical religion and the disaffected can be a dangerous mix. By LOU MICHEL and DAN HERBECK News Staff Reporters 6/6/2006 MISSISSAUGA, Ont. - In Lackawanna, some fiery words from a traveling preacher helped to persuade a group of young men to travel to Afghanistan and train with the forces of Osama bin Laden. Here in Mississauga, some of the young men and teenagers accused of plotting bombings reportedly had spent time with a radical elder at a modest storefront mosque known as the Al-Rahman Islamic Centre. While police found no direct links between the Lackawanna Six and the Ontario group, experts see striking similarities between them. In both cases, disaffected young people and radical religious leaders made for a dangerous combination. Authorities have said Juma Al-Dosari, a native of Bahrain who is now held in the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, helped recruit the Lackawanna Six. In Mississauga, published reports indicate that Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, was an elder with anti-American views who often spoke with young people at the mosque, including six of the suspects. In fact, Jamal recently gave a speech at the Ar-Rahman Islamic Centre condemning Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan, according Aly Hindy, imam at the Salaheddin Islamic Centre in the Scarborough section of Toronto and a friend of Jamal's family. "He told the audience that Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan went there to rape Muslim women," Hindy said. Hindy said he disagrees with that sentiment. "They are good soldiers," Hindy said of the Canadians, adding: "But I am not sure about the American soldiers." A spokesman spent much of Monday trying to distance the mosque from those who were arrested and anything connected with terrorism. "We are frightened about what happened, and we feel betrayed by the suspects," said Taria Shah, the mosque's attorney and spokesman. "The management of this mosque dissociates itself from anyone who doesn't love Canada. . . . Canada is the place where we choose to live and to raise our children." Jamal held no official position of authority at the mosque, and any discussions he had with young people there were not sanctioned by the mosque, Shah added. "A mosque is an open place of worship," Shah said. "Among the managers of this mosque, Mr. Jamal was not an influential person." Dangers of extremism The entire issue of Muslim extremists and their ties to mosques is a very touchy one for law enforcement in both Canada and the United States, according to two former FBI agents who now teach counterterrorism courses in colleges. "It's difficult for a law enforcement agency to investigate any case that involves a religious organization," said Jeremiah W. Doyle Jr. of the Buffalo State College criminal-justice program. "You have to be very wary of violating anyone's rights. If you go into it heavy-handed, you'll have more disaffected people." Still, Doyle said, it's difficult to ignore the ties between Muslim extremists and terrorism activities. He cited several cases, including convicted "shoe bomber" Richard Reid, who worshipped in a London mosque before his conviction for trying to blow up a Paris-to-Miami airliner, and Omar Abdel-Rahman, a blind sheik who is serving life in prison for plotting to blow up the United Nations building and other New York City landmarks. "Law enforcement recognizes the danger of religious extremists, and every religion has its extremists," said Robert J. Heibel, a counterterrorism expert who teaches intelligence studies at Mercyhurst College in Erie, Pa. "There have been problems with Muslim extremists, but also with white-supremacist groups like the Arayan Nations and the Christian Identity group." "Something happened' So far, authorities have found no ties between the Lackawanna and Ontario cases, U.S. Attorney Terrance P. Flynn said. He said federal agents will be talking with Canadian police agencies to determine whether there is any connection. There are some striking parallels between the two cases, according to Doyle. "The most ominous thing about both cases is that they involve young Muslim people who grew up in the U.S. or Canada," Doyle said. "And yet something happened in their lives that turned them toward terrorist activities." The Mississauga mosque, a storefront in a nondescript shopping plaza, was closed Monday. Signs posted on its windows directed the news media to contact Shah with any questions. Allegations swirling around mosque members were upsetting to Angum Ahmed, who owns the Hasty Market, a convenience store in the same plaza. "This is a very bad thing that has happened," Ahmed said. "I am shocked." Ahmed said he was not aware of any mosque members who held radical beliefs. He was surprised by a Toronto Star report that called Jamal a "radical thinker with anti-Western views." Jamal lives in a townhouse complex about a mile and a half from the mosque. One of his neighbors, Caleb Jovin, said he does not believe Jamal is a terrorist. He said he saw Jamal being arrested Friday night by Canadian police SWAT teams. "I was appalled by what happened. My kids and the neighbor's kids were in the street, playing, and three SWAT teams just drove up," Jovin said. "If he was as bad as a terrorist, we wouldn't be here. He would have blown us all up. . . . He's a family man who plays with his kids." A need for due process Wahida C. Valiante, national vice president of the Canadian Islamic Congress, asked Canadians and the media not to jump to conclusions about those who were arrested. "I know there is an issue of terrorism going on. These are things we hear every day," she said. "But we have a legal system with due process. Let's hear all the evidence. If they have done this and are convicted, let's deal with it." For three years, Valiante said, her organization has been trying to get funding from Canada's government for a study of why some Canadian young people feel so disaffected and angry. She said the weekend arrests point to the need for such research. Valiante said she is upset that media reports keep labeling the Ontario suspects as "Muslim extremists." "When people in Ireland are charged with being in the [Irish Republican Army], the media don't keep calling them Catholics," Valiante said. Dr. A. Fuad Sahin, 83, imam of the mosque in Niagara Falls, Ont., said that "99 percent of Muslims" are strongly opposed to any kind of terrorist activity. He said he would never allow anyone with terrorist views to lecture at his mosque. But he also expressed the opinion that aggressive actions by the U.S. government in the Middle East have angered many Muslims in the United States and Canada. "The American people are so nice, so fair, so wonderful. But your people deserve a better government," Sahin said. "Your government has to stick its finger into every hornet's nest where it doesn't belong. And that's part of the problem." Staff Reporter Vanessa Thomas contributed to this report. http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060606/1019852.asp ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/TySplB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> -------------------------- Want to discuss this topic? 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