No reason to put up mosques in the West until Saudis permit churches and
synagoges in Mecca.
 
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A Battle Rages in London Over a Mega-Mosque Plan 
By
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dex.html?inline=nyt-per> JANE PERLEZ

LONDON — Disputes over mosques have broken out across Europe. Residents from
Belgium to France to Germany have expressed unease at minarets competing in
the urban landscape with the spires and stones of centuries-old cathedrals. 

But the fight raging over an abandoned lot in London’s East End is of an
altogether grander scale. A large and secretive Islamic sect proposed
building what would have been the largest mosque in Europe, smack at the
gateway to the 2012 Olympic Games, and within sight of London’s financial
district. 

That plan was sent back to the drawing board to be scaled down, but not
before raising a furor of equal size and discomforting questions about the
right of
<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/un
itedkingdom/index.html?inline=nyt-geo> Britain’s Muslims to take up a public
space commensurate with their growing numbers. 

This summer on the Web site of Prime Minister
<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/gordon_brown/i
ndex.html?inline=nyt-per> Gordon Brown, more than 250,000 critics of the
proposed mosque supported a petition initiated by a backer of the
conservative British National Party. Some of them said a large mosque had no
right to exist in such a prominent place in a Christian country. 

When, around the same time, Karen Armstrong, a historian of religion, wrote
an article in the liberal Guardian newspaper commenting favorably about the
mosque, the paper’s Web site was deluged with complaints. 

In Newham, the borough where the mosque would stand, Alan Craig, the leader
of the Christian Peoples Alliance Party in the East End, started a one-man
campaign against the mosque a year ago that has grown and gained national
prominence. 

He began by emphasizing the size of the mosque. But now he focuses on its
sponsor, Tablighi Jamaat, a worldwide evangelical Islamic group based in
Pakistan with millions of followers that professes to encourage Muslims to
be more loyal to their faith. 

American and European law enforcement officials say Tablighi Jamaat’s simple
message masks a fertile recruiting ground for terrorists. Two of the suicide
bombers who attacked the London transit system in July 2005 had attended
Tablighi Jamaat gatherings, British security officials said. 

Tablighi Jamaat “is a separatist organization,” Mr. Craig said in an
interview in his living room where a picture of the crucifixion of Christ
hung on a wall, a cross rested on a bookshelf, and a Bible lay on the coffee
table. 

“They refer to us as kafir,” a term of contempt, he added. “That’s not what
we need. We don’t want this mosque in East London. It will be disastrous.” 

That Mr. Craig’s immediate neighbors include a Pakistani family on one side
of his row house, and immigrants up and down the block, speaks to the
changes in the East End, where South Asian Muslims are among the latest wave
of immigrants. 

The area has welcomed newcomers to London over the ages, starting with the
French Huguenots and including Jews in the 19th century. Now nearly 30
mosques, most of them small, are crowded during Friday Prayer. 

The 2001 census shows 34.2 percent of the Newham borough population is
white. South Asians and blacks predominate. Christianity remains dominant at
46.8 percent and Muslims make up 24.3 percent. 

The driving force behind the plan to build a grander mosque has been Abdul
Khaliq Mian, 55, a British businessman born in Pakistan and a longtime
follower of Tablighi Jamaat. 

In an interview, Mr. Mian explained how in 1996 he helped raise £1.6
million, or about $2.9 million at the time, from the Tablighi community to
buy an abandoned lot that was once the site of a sulfuric acid plant. 

Mr. Mian, who came to Britain at age 11, said that in the late 1990s
officials on the Newham Borough Council, which includes Muslims, encouraged
Tablighi Jamaat to build a grand mosque befitting the scale of the land. 

“I was told it was a very, very strategic site,” Mr. Mian said. “They said,
‘Get a planner and the best architect you can and build the biggest mosque
you can.’” 

An up and coming architect, Ali Mangara, 40, a Muslim born in South Africa,
produced a design that envisioned wind turbines instead of minarets, and
generous use of gardens, courtyards and restaurants. In all, with the use of
awnings as cover, about 70,000 worshipers would be accommodated, Mr. Mangara
said. 

“It was intended to reach out and bring new people into the complex,” he
said, showing off a model of his futuristic design. 

The size of the congregation and avant garde nature of Mr. Mangara’s plans
fueled Mr. Craig’s opposition. He accused Tablighi Jamaat of seeking
financing from Saudi Arabia, though there is debate about this. 

After raising money for the land, Mr. Mangara said, the group never provided
additional financing for permits to build his design. Several months ago,
his plan that had created the furor was dropped, and Tablighi Jamaat pushed
Mr. Mian aside, though he remains a follower. 

In Mr. Mangara’s place, an establishment London architectural firm, Allies &
Morrison, known for projects like refurbishing Royal Festival Hall, has been
hired to build a smaller version, which would hold about 12,000. 

A developer, Sohail Sarbuland, a Muslim but not a member of Tablighi Jamaat,
has pledged the money for the building permits. 

Mr. Mangara and others say any breaking of ground will be delayed until
after the 2012 Olympics. The issue will be finessed by a slow design
process, and delays in the planning process, he said. 

On the 10 Downing Street Web site, the prime minister’s office notes that no
planning application has been made, and makes clear that the government has
taken no position. 

A London public relations firm, Indigo, which has put up a Web site about
the mosque,  <http://abbeymillsmosque.com/> abbeymillsmosque.com, has been
hired by Tablighi Jamaat to speak for it. 

An Indigo spokesman, Nick Kilby, said Tablighi Jamaat trustees would not
talk to the news media. Phone calls to Tablighi Jamaat drew no response. 

Mr. Kilby, whose job is to stem the controversy, said the final design by
Allies & Morrison would not be done soon. “The Olympics are not the
deadline,” he said. 


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