Dear Thomas, I recall the sensation of writing a report of a discussion, and suddenly someone ten thousand miles away inserting a paragraph in the middle of my document :-) - it gave really the sense of being connected to those who could not make it.
Greetings from Western Svenmark Gerard Open Space Institute Denmark On May 20, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Thomas Herrmann wrote: > It sure was inspiring for us as organizers to have all of you out there > contributing and involve yourselves with us at site in Swenmark. I remember > we used the term off-site participants. We had a beamer to show new posts > immediately and we also made copies to the reports I think. And it was so > much fun to have a team of “helpers” out there to assist with whatever > technicalities we bumped into – great teamwork! Txs again! > Thomas > > > Från: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] För Michael Herman > Skickat: den 20 maj 2010 07:50 > Till: [email protected] > Ämne: Re: SV: Online WOSonOS Documentation > > i'd forgotten this altogether, artur. and going back now to see it, i think > we were rather ahead of our time. wikis were really new. i don't know if > wikipedia had even started yet. > > i thought the osonos cafe was rather remarkable: 5 days and as best i can > count, 27 different people checking in, from oz, europe (at the gathering and > not), usa, canada. harrison chimed in from maine. it was all in english, > but it didn't have to be. that wiki could handle spanish or french or > haitian creole just fine. > > if you've never been to an osonos gathering, this page is a pretty good > teaser, as are some others, like the one you flagged, > artur...http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?OSonOSinSwenMark/OSonOSCafe > ...and some good notes in the debriefing session, too. > > i guess the progress we made in marysville and svenmark got a bit lost when > osonos went to india the following year. maybe next year -- if not sooner -- > we can pick up a bit where we left off. openspaceworld.NET is still wide > open for hosting and posting, for any osonos or other event. > > ---- > > by the way, there is a fun story behind how wiki and open space came > together. i was facilitating an open space track at the 'agile/extreme > programming' conference in chicago in 2002. a guy named chris wege from > stuttgart showed me how to set up a wiki and i taught him and some others > about ost. we both went off and used what we learned -- and used it a lot. > so these bits abotu agile using ost and ost using wiki always makes me smile. > > > thanks for the reminding, artur. > > m > > > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > > http://www.michaelherman.com > http://www.ronanparktrail.com > http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org > http://www.openspaceworld.org > > 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > > 2010/5/20 Artur Silva <[email protected]> > Thanks, Thomas and Michael H. > > It was indeed the SwenMark OSonOS (2003) I was referring... > > (I had planned to go, but then an helth problem, discovered in the previous > month, did not allow me to go (and the organizers, did not obliged me to pay > anything for the cancelation of my pre-commitement to go). > > Anyhow, from my house, I could follow the discussions and even participate in > it. > > I have selected a page (of the first session of the Proceeedings) to show > what was happennning. The proceedings were being typed in the wiki immediatly > after the session. That allowed for a follow up discussion, and even for > further comments, either by presencial participants or by anyone that could > not came, for whatever reason. Being ill, I had the free time to participate > (indirectly?) myself, which I did. I felt has if I was (almost) there. See > this session as an example: > http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?OSonOSinSwenMark/HowToLearnToBeHappyWithWhatHappens > > Artur > > > From: Michael Herman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 12:39:02 AM > Subject: Re: [OSLIST] SV: Online WOSonOS Documentation > > all of the proceeding from marysville, australia, were posted to a wiki. > this was one of the earliest uses of the wiki that still holds half of the > content of the www.openspaceworld.ORG website. that was 2002, osonos10. i > was there in marysville and played caretaker for the whole wiki process. we > had a regular document, too, but a bit more happened online than in that doc. > http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?MarysvilleAustralia > > then, the following year, thomas and friends posted all the svenmark notes > from osonos11. those got posted at the newwww.openspaceworld.NET side of > things. http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?OSonOSinSwenMark > > after that, the planners for goa did not apparently have an interest in > continuing this and things when in another direction. > > and, yes, as artur says, we had wikis set up for many languages, haitian, > iberia (spanish and portuguese), estonia, italian, maybe french, too. > > i've offered web support to osonos hosts since then, but as more and more > options became available and known and accessible to people everywhere, > nobody else has taken me up on this. > > personally, i think i prefer a weblog format for posting notes, unless there > is a bunch of action and work and other meetings going to spring from a > gathering. > > looking forward to the new wiki, and wondering if it'll be the sort of place > where many future osonos's can be reported. > > thanks, m > > > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > > http://www.michaelherman.com > http://www.ronanparktrail.com > http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org > http://www.openspaceworld.org > > 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Thomas Herrmann > <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Artur > During the 11th World OSonOS in “Swenmark” (2003) we used a wiki to capture > proceedings and invite people to participate on distance during, before and > after the event. The proceedings and the wiki is to be found among the other > OSonOS proceedings on OSW.org > With assistance from Michael, Chris and others it worked wonderfully! I think. > Best regards > Thomas Herrmann > > Från: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] För Artur Silva > Skickat: den 19 maj 2010 23:50 > Till: [email protected] > Ämne: Re: Online WOSonOS Documentation > > Dear Holger and others: > > Thank you for creating the Wiki for WOSonOS 2010 online digital documentation. > > I have already sighed in. But I would like to request to the two "note > takers" of the two sessions I have convened, if they could be so kind to > "interpret" their own characters and put the report in the Wiki. Thank you. > > Anyhow, Holger, from your post it may seem that it is the first time the OST > community is using Wikis. And it is not. 9 years ago, in 2001, Michael Herman > created the space http://www.openspaceworld.net/, that was, and still is, a > Wiki. In that same year, some of the "international language pages", then > created, have used wikis, and the Iberian one still is in an wiki > (http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/iberia.cgi?), now closed due to spam and > short of resources to cleaning it up every day. > > And in one of the two following years (I think the next one, but I am not > sure), all the reports have been created directly in a wiki (that I cannot > find anymore) where they could be edited and commented by anyone in the world > in real time, thus giving the possibility to anyone that could not came to > OSonOS to have a sense of what was happening and really commenting. (What can > be more inclusive than that?). Maybe that could be something to have repeated > in one (or both) of the two following WOSonOS's - next year in Chile and/or > in London, in 2012... > > Regards > > Artur > > From: Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) > <[email protected]> > To: Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 12:06:09 AM > Subject: Online WOSonOS Documentation > > Dear WOSonOS participants and friends, > > As we have announced in the action planning of the WOSonOS, we want to do an > online documentation of the results of the WOSonOS. For that, we have created > a Wiki. A Wiki is a document which we can edit all – it has the spirit of > Open Space. Don’t worry, writing in a Wiki is as simple as writing in a Word > document. > > This is a great experiment – because not only the conveners but all > participants can take responsibility to convert the handwritten materials > into typed script. Let us do t like an Open Space – self-organized. > > Please read the following instructions VERY CAREFULLY: > > 1. We start with the documentation of the proceedings; the action > planning will come a bit later. > > 2. With a separate email, you will get an invitation for our Wiki (from > the software company PbWorks). You will need to follow this invitation to > create an account. Please be assured that your data are secure, this is a > professional business version of a commercial programme. > > 3. On the landing page (after you have created your account) you will > find detailed instructions of how to proceed. > > 4. If you absolutely don’t want to use the Wiki for any reason, you > might also send us a Word file with the text you have typed. > > 5. I made the status of all of you that of writers –meaning you cannot > create or delete pages. If you want to be an editor, please let me know. > > 6. There is also comment functions: we can have discussions about all > issues and continue the discussions of the WOSonOS. > > 7. This will not work if we are not passionate about and if we don’t > take our responsibility > > > > With best regards > > Holger Nauheimer > > > * * ========================================================== > [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, > unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > [email protected]:http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST > FAQs:http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > > > * * ========================================================== > [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, > unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > [email protected]:http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST > FAQs:http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > * * ========================================================== > [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, > unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > [email protected]:http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST > FAQs:http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > * * ========================================================== > [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, > unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > [email protected]: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about > OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
