What attachment are you talking about? Artur
________________________________ From: Michael Herman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 11:23:27 PM Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Organizational Transformation Conferences (was: Re: [OSLIST] ODWS - Journey through time; suggestions please !!) well, well. look at that. first attachments that actually go attached and made it to the list in about a hundred years. guess we're allowed to attach files now. m -- Michael Herman Michael Herman Associates http://www.michaelherman.com http://www.ronanparktrail.com http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org http://www.openspaceworld.org 312-280-7838 (mobile) On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Susan M Kerr <[email protected]> wrote: > >Hello Jack. > >Yes, it was. I'm sorry that I hadn't >read the archives you attached when I posted. I see now where you call >it Chicago; it was actually just up the lake a bit in Milwaukee. The theme >was Welcoming Spirit which could be, I guess, a tad amorphous >but I don't recall any weirdness nor intrigue unless one counts the polka >dancing that took place by some participants when we joined the Polish >fest at the lakefront one evening... > >The invitation is attached here. I believe >Sheila truly hosted it solo as I remember being more amazed than helpful >- I'm a bit institutionalized I'm afraid and was unclear of my role. (I >was unsure about giving what I had which seems to be what happens around >OS.) > >It was a small group - about 15 from >the participant list I have but it may not be the final one. Most were >from the US with a few from Sweden and Scotland. > >The 2nd attachment is something Sheila >may have put together. It lists all the OTs, year and location, up to and >including that OT23 one. I apologize for the Word docs but I don't have >a webpage to post them to. > > > >I hope this is helpful. It looks as >though when the OT was in two places one year they were "numbered" >the same. >Susan > > > >Jack Martin Leith <[email protected]> > >Sent by: OSLIST <[email protected]> >06/01/2010 04:18 PM >Please respond to > >>OSLIST <[email protected]> > To [email protected] >cc >Subject Re: [OSLIST] Organizational Transformation >Conferences (was: Re: [OSLIST] ODWS - Journey through time; suggestions >please !!) > > > > > >Hiya Susan. > >Thanks for the information about the final OT conference, >held in Milwaukee. > >Is this the one that I had pegged as Chicago, convened >by Sheila Isakson, Bill Isakson, Susan Kerr, and facilitated by John Adams? > >Thanks for your help. > >Jack > >>Jack Martin Leith >>Leith Co-creation >>London, United Kingdom >>email: [email protected] >>Mobile: 07831 840541 (+44 7831 840541) >>Skype: jackmartinleith >>Professional website: www.leithcocreation.com >>Personal website: www.jackmartinleith.com >>Facebook: www.facebook.com/jackmartinleith >>LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/jackmartinleith >>Slideshare: www.slideshare.net/jackmartinleith >>Twitter: http://twitter.com/jackmartinleith > > >On 1 June 2010 03:09, Susan M Kerr <[email protected]> >wrote: >Dear Artur, Jeff, and All: > >Jeff, I'm sorry to contradict you but >the last OT I attended did indeed take place in my home town of Milwaukee. >It may have been OT 23 in 2005 but I don't keep up with dates and numbers >very well. I had attended the year before in northern Scotland and fell >in love with the people and the rich dialogue we had. There was richness >to be found that following year in Milwaukee as well. I was (still >consider myself to be) "new" to OS and thought that group was >a kind of subset of this larger community and the way they stayed >in contact was through this very list. > >Even though I was there for the last >two, if indeed they were they last two, I didn't hear any news of >one the following year, in London or elsewhere. So I cannot help you, >Artur, with what happened after the one in Milwaukee. Perhaps someone else >who attended but hasn't had an opportunity to chime in yet will be >able to shed more light. > >Grateful for the learning, >Susan Kerr >Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA > > >-----OSLIST <[email protected]> >wrote: ----- > >To: [email protected] >From: Jeff Aitken <[email protected]> >> >Sent by: OSLIST <[email protected]> >> >Date: 05/31/2010 06:24PM > >>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Organizational Transformation Conferences (was: Re: >[OSLIST] ODWS - Journey through time; suggestions please !!) > >>Thanks for posting some history of the OT symposia Jack. > >I attended many in the US from 1991-1996, >and the European OT9 in Hungary. I remember one participant convening a >workshop that included burning money. To me, it was not outside the range >of typical behavior with a few hundred 'transformation' oriented folks >being together for three or four days in open space with a somewhat amorphous >theme statement. There was a great deal of weirdness and intrigue. They >were all very different events, and great fun and great learning for the >most part. And I don't blame open space for any of the troubling parts. > > >John Adams told me that the last OT >symposium in Wisconsin did not take place because of lack of interest, >about five years ago, and at that point there was the decision to discontinue. > > >Jeff >Mount Tamalpais > > ________________________________ Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:04:47 +0100 > >>From: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Organizational Transformation Conferences (was: Re: >[OSLIST] ODWS - Journey through time; suggestions please !!) >>To: [email protected] > >Thanks for raising this, Artur. > >I've pulled a couple of old web pages >about the OT symposia from my very dusty digital archives, blown off the >cobwebs, and uploaded them to www.leithcocreation.com/ot >. > >Hope these are useful. > >In 1988, John Adams ( www.eartheart-ent.com >) wrote: > >Sometime during the very early years >of this decade [the 1980s], probably in 1981 or 1982, a large number of >people began to use the term organisation transformation to describe their >work. During the Spring of 1982, a few of these people recognized each >other at a conference outside of Boston, and began to discuss their common >interest in concepts like vision, >purpose, spirit in the workplace and >global perspective >. > >Could it be that the ideas highlighted >in red are taken as read (sorry - no pun intended) these days, and that >OD has - to some extent - morphed into OT, as you mention? > >The rest of the John Adams article can >be found here: www.leithcocreation.com/ot >. > >With regard to your earlier email, I >agree that PC is rife in the Open Space community, and that it is not safe >to raise certain issues - not only in these posts, but beyond OSList. > >Two years ago, Paul Levy and I announced >a discussion session, Open Space 2.0: Beyond the Dogma. The announcement >triggered some hostility and a heap of defensive responses. Paul received >an item of what can only be called hate mail from a prominent member of >the so-called OS community (perhaps more like what Scott Peck would call >'pseudo-community'). > >Pseudo-community: Where participants >are "nice with each other", playing-safe, and presenting what >they feel is the most favourable sides of their personalities. >Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community > > >I've had similar responses to other >posts, which is why I rarely post to this list these days. > >25 years down the track, if they survive >that long, most organisational concepts and tools have splintered >and evolved. Open Space hasn't, and I'm not sure this is a good thing. >It seems to reflect a degree of orthodoxy. > >I await howls of protest. > >Thank you again, Artur. These things >need to be said. > >If some among you fear taking a stand >because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even >government, >recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile, hoping he'll eat you >last. – Ronald Reagan > >>Jack > >Jack Martin Leith >>Leith Co-creation >>London, United Kingdom >>email: [email protected] > >>Mobile: 07831 840541 (+44 7831 840541) >>Skype: jackmartinleith >>Professional website: www.leithcocreation.com > >>Personal website: www.jackmartinleith.com > >>Facebook: www.facebook.com/jackmartinleith > >>LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/jackmartinleith > >>Slideshare: www.slideshare.net/jackmartinleith > >>Twitter: http://twitter.com/jackmartinleith > > > >On 29 May 2010 19:19, Artur Silva < >[email protected] >> wrote: >Dear all > >Thanks for the map, Jack. > >The map, and some clarifications >by Harrison, reminded me of a different thing. > >OST was born in the "Organization >Transformation Conferences". > >In WOSonOS in Berlin, I met a lady >(that I cannot remember the name and later have not seen her again to ask >for the contacts) that told me that the last OT Conference was to be held >in London, but there were insufficient registrations and it did not took >place. Nor any other after that. > >In ancient mails, in the OSLIST >Archives, I can see that OT22 took place in Scotland, in 2004, and OT23 >was planned to take place in Milwaukee, in 2005. I also remember to later >receive an invitation to London, and I even considered to go there (and >profit to see my sister and my English family, in Brighton). But later >I could not. But that exchange of mails is lost with a computer that crashed >many moons ago. > >If there is anyone that can complete >the story from OT22 to the last one that took (or not) place, I would be >grateful. > >I would also like to understand >why the OT Conferences died (without any trace that I could discover in >the Internet). > >And why have the OT Conferences >died if the distinction between OD and OT is IMHO more needed now than >ever before? > >Maybe this can be somehow related >with my previous post. >If there is no longer a clear distinction >between OD and OT, than OST and all the other "large group facilitation >methods" belong after all to the same stream - OD. > >Interesting, don't you think? > >Regards > >Artur > > ________________________________ From: Harrison Owen < [email protected] >> >>To: [email protected] > >>Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:34:02 PM >>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] ODWS - Journey through time; suggestions please >!! > >Jack – I have always loved >your “map” – if only because it provides me and (indirectly I >presume), and Open Space Technology with an impressive lineage which is >at once colorful, although perhaps undeserved. It is true that my >first public foray into the realm of Organization Transformation happened >at a regional conference of ODN (Organization Development Network) – I >gave a paper. What is also true is that at the time I had no real clue >what Organization Development might be, where it came from, or what it >might be useful for. My inspiration, training and experience came from >a rather different place, including but not limited to a layman’s understanding >of the New Physics, a rather deeper understanding of the myth and ritual >of the ancient near east, and an appreciation of a variety of (what now >would be called) esoteric traditions. Strange things like Tibetan Buddhism, >Sufi thought (Rumi), some deep learning at the feet of (West) African Shamans, >the work of Joseph Campbell, Ken Wilbur – and other assorted denizens >of the Fringe. I wouldn’t claim academic expertise for most of this, but >existential, on the ground experience for sure. Truth to tell, when >Organization >Transformation first reflected the light of day it was not viewed in a >positive fashion by the powers that be (were) in the world of OD. Definitely >heretical! Off the Wall! Out of Sight!! Some still feel that way, I am >sure – but times change. And a lot of the people who found the idea of >Organization Transformation radically abhorrent became friends. I can’t >say we have always agreed – but we are friends. > >And then we come to Open Space >Technology. It does not come from, nor is it part of the great tradition >(lately created) of Large Scale Interventions. It began as it remains – >The product of two Martinis (and before that the Big Bang)! There >was no careful research, no critical analysis of preceding efforts – just >a little Gin and (much less) vermouth. And with all that as ancestors, >you got to keep it simple. – Sit in a circle, create a bulletin >board, open a market place – and Go to work. Hasn’t changed a bit ever >since. But I am sure that our understanding of what happens has gone a >lot deeper – which is not to say that we are getting anywhere near the >depths we must achieve. But we are moving in the right direction, I think. >And it is fun. > >Harrison > > >Harrison Owen >7808 River Falls Dr. >Potomac, MD 20854 >USA >Phone 301-365-2093 >www.openspaceworld.com > >www.ho-image.com >(Personal Website) > >To subscribe, unsubscribe, >change your options, view the archives of [email protected] >: >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > >From: OSLIST [mailto: [email protected] >] On Behalf Of Jack Martin >Leith >>Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:11 PM >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: Re: ODWS - Journey through time; suggestions please !! > >Thanks for mentioning the map, Michael. > >I've just uploaded it to my server in case >anyone wants to see it. > >Here's the URL: >www.leithcocreation.com/documents/history-of-large-group-methods.doc > > >It's a big file ... sorry ... I don't have >time right now to make it any smaller. > >Jack > >>Jack Martin Leith >>Leith Co-creation >>London, United Kingdom >>email: [email protected] > >>Mobile: 07831 840541 (+44 7831 840541) >>Skype: jackmartinleith >>Professional website: www.leithcocreation.com > >>Personal website: www.jackmartinleith.com > >>Facebook: www.facebook.com/jackmartinleith > >>LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/jackmartinleith > >>Slideshare: www.slideshare.net/jackmartinleith > >>Twitter: http://twitter.com/jackmartinleith > > >On 27 May 2010 15:05, Michael Herman < >[email protected] >> wrote: >i'll second jeff's recommendation of marv >weisbord's 'productive workplaces.' that was the first thing that >came to mind here. another was a map that jack martin leith did some >years ago, showing overlapping development paths of various methods and >leading practitioners. jack? > >>m > > >>-- > >>Michael Herman >>Michael Herman Associates > >http://www.michaelherman.com/ > >http://www.ronanparktrail.com/ > >http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org/ > >http://www.openspaceworld.org/ > > >>312-280-7838 (mobile) > > >On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:39 AM, VISUELLE >PROTOKOLLE < [email protected] >> wrote: >Dear Gerard, > >>Our friend Jon Jenkins, who sadly died recently, said as the father of >the IAF Method Database, that right now the three most important elements >in our profession are VISUALIZATION, STORYTELLING and ONLINE METHODS. > >>Greetings from Italy > >>Reinhard Kuchenmüller > > >>VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE® >www.visuelle-protokolle.de > >>+39-0566-88929 > > > > >>Am 27/05/10 08:16 schrieb "Gerard Muller" unter < [email protected] >>: >Dear All, > >>At the upcoming Organisational Development World Summit (see >>http://www.odworldsummit.org/ >, which is organised in collaboration >with several organisations and communities - amongst which several who >are on this list , we are organising part of the program as a special journey >through the history of our profession, before we move into it’s future. > > >>I would like to ask for your help in identifying what you feel are the >2-3 elements which deserve a place in this journey. This could be either >in the history of the profession (a book, a bit of research, the >birth of an method or theory), or in the history of the society around >(political, technological, ...). > >>If you have a specific idea how to represent the elements which come to >mind, that would be great. >>In the case of a publication, it could be the book itself, in the case >of an event maybe the invitation, >>a poster, pictures. But we’ll also have space for filmclips and music. > > >>Please mail any ideas to my E-mail at [email protected] >, in the course of the coming week. > > >>Thanks for your assistance !! > >>Greetings from Denmark, > > > > >>Gerard Muller > >>Open Space Institute Denmark >>Phone: (+45) 21269621 >>Mail: [email protected] > >>Skype: openspace1 >www.openspace.dk >< http://www.openspace.dk/ >> >* * ========================================================== >[email protected] >------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >[email protected] >: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists >and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > >* * ========================================================== >[email protected] >------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >[email protected] >: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists >and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > >>* * ========================================================== >>[email protected] >------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >[email protected] >: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists >and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > >>* * ========================================================== >>[email protected] >------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >[email protected] >: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists >and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > >* * ========================================================== >[email protected] >------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >[email protected] >: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists >and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > >* * ========================================================== >[email protected] >------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >[email protected] >: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists >and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > >>* * ========================================================== >>[email protected]>------------------------------ To subscribe, >>unsubscribe, change your options, >view the archives of [email protected]: >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html>To learn about >OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > ________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. 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