WHERE you take nap might have some significance On 6/3/10, Phelim McDermott <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm Interested in this wonderful skill: >> Being totally present and absolutely invisible >> > > > It is what I aspire to every time I faciltate orvdirect a show and > relates very closely to stage presence as It is what I have worked > with puppeteers in training to do over the years. (it is especially > useful dramatically when you want to disappear and appear as if from > nowhere onstage at just the right time. A skill some of the best > facilitators have or so I have heard! > > There is another aspect about this I am interested in which for me > relates to what some cultures would call the dreaming aspects of > reality. > > So here's the question: Is it possible to be in this state of presence/ > invisibilty whilst on another space in the room? Or outside the room? > Or whilst asleep? > > So can one be totally present, absolutely invisible and take a nap? > > Phelim > Sent from my iPhone > > On 3 Jun 2010, at 21:23, Harrison Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Michael – it would be really interesting to hear some actual situati >> ons where what you are describing is true. I’ve never seen it, but I >> did hear of one. It happened in South Africa where a local consulta >> nt took Open Space as a license for absence. He literally left for m >> ost of the day. As it turned out (as I heard from one of the partici >> pants) the group really didn’t miss him, and was basically sorry to >> see him return. And that same participant was sure that there had to >> be something more than he had seen. As a consequence he came to a “ >> training program” (back in the days when I used to do something like >> that J) and subsequently opened space all over the place. So I gues >> s there was a happy ending after a rocky start. Or something. >> >> >> >> But you really put your finger on something – “active >> listening” – which is not so much about doing anything but rather >> Being intensely. Definitely hard to describe but my best shot is th >> e enigmatic phrase – Being totally present and absolutely invisible. >> In my experience this is a matter of intention and practice. And th >> e best part is that it is all definitely rewarding, not only in term >> s of facilitating Open Space, but equally in terms of self understan >> ding and personal presence. It feels good. >> >> >> >> Harrison >> >> >> >> Harrison Owen >> >> 7808 River Falls Dr. >> >> Potomac, MD 20854 >> >> USA >> >> Phone 301-365-2093 >> >> www.openspaceworld.com >> >> www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> [email protected] >> : >> >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >> >> >> >> From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Michael Herman >> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:41 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: On "Failure" >> >> >> >> i have a teacher who likes to put little reminders on pencils and >> pass them around. one of my favorite pencils says: "really easy is >> often quite difficult." >> >> i think this is true of open space. i've seen a number of >> situations where the facilitator or the process itself was assumed >> to be a bit of magic, so nobody needed to do much else to make it >> happen. this makes all kinds of large and small "failures" possible >> -- all owing to some lapses in the quality of attention, awareness, >> relationship. >> >> somebody once told me that carl rogers (some sort of psychologist, i >> think) used to listen so intently that he would often break out in a >> sweat -- just listening to someone. sometimes i think open space >> takes this sort of quality or intensity of attention... or maybe of >> awareness. that the heart is this active, even if the body is >> apparently doing nothing. like when so many muscles are engaged in >> walking a balance beam, or timing a jump. actively pulsing, >> checking, on and off, holding and releasing, inviting and reporting. >> >> i'd guess a fair number of "failures" have their roots in forgetting >> that os is this sort of active practice, even if a lot of the action >> is not outwardly visible or dramatic or difficult. weirdenss seems >> to flow from gaps in clarity, in attention, in awareness, in >> relationship. not so much, i think, from gaps in actual outer >> logistics. >> >> m >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Michael Herman >> Michael Herman Associates >> >> http://www.michaelherman.com >> http://www.ronanparktrail.com >> http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org >> http://www.openspaceworld.org >> >> 312-280-7838 (mobile) >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:07 PM, VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE >> <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >> Harrison and all, >> >> Another example of an OS that went terribly wrong: >> >> It was a factory producing printing machines, both in Eastern and >> western Germany, and the participants were mixed from both areas. We >> had the o.k. from the four directors, to whom we had illustrated >> what to expect, and a final conference after the OS was already >> determined. One of the directors, the one who seemed to be the most >> employee-oriented, was choosen to say some words at the end of the >> OS. Our partner in the company was a young man from HR, very active, >> with good contacts to the directors. So he insisted that he should >> brief the director what to say at the end of OS. >> >> Everything went fine. The groups worked with joy and enthusiasm. We >> accompanied the whole OS with 3 people visualizing everything, and >> that was a big success, because everybody could see what had >> happened everywhere. After we had shown the pictures in a final >> slideshow, the director stood up and destroyed everything within 5 >> minutes. He said that he was disappointed, had expected other >> outcomes, and that the managers wood have a hard time to use some of >> the results. >> >> That was the end of the project for us, but much worse all the >> participants were angry and a big chance was lost for the company. >> >> Of course the mistake was to let the young HR-man brief the director. >> >> Reinhard >> >> Reinhard Kuchenmüller >> Dr. Marianne Stifel >> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE >> Kuchenmüller & Stifel >> >> +39-0566-88 929 >> www.visuelle-protokolle.de >> >> >> >> >> Am 03/06/10 18:12 schrieb "Ralph Copleman" unter <[email protected] >> >: >> >> Harrison and all, >> >> I've had a few that sort of fell flat. >> >> One involved a group concerned about availability of services for >> senior citizens across an entire US state. Two-thirds of the room >> consisted of seniors themselves and, frankly, a lot of them ran out >> of energy about an hour after lunch. So they sat around, a number >> slumping in chairs with eyes closed. >> >> Another involved an exploration of customer service issues for an >> airline. Lots of corporate leaders from the airline present, along >> with their booking agents (this pre-dates internet booking sites), >> frequent flyer customers, and corporate travel execs who make travel >> policy for their companies. A great mix, actually. We were set to >> go from 8:00 a.m to 4:00. About 2:00, a group of participants more >> or less seized control of the meeting somehow (I wasn't in the room >> when it occurred) and got everyone to agree to shorten the meeting >> by a full hour. When I returned at 3:00, someone simply informed >> me, and asked that I begin the closing circle. So that's what I >> did. I never found out what actually happened. >> >> Not sure how to think about that last one, since I never found out >> how it all developed, but the following one is more like a true >> failure. >> >> I was asked to convene a two-day open space gathering for about 200 >> folks from around the US. It would be the annual meeting of an >> association of a certain type of public health officer (cannot >> recall the details). The whole thing was pretty dead from the >> outset –– I mean 200 people posting a total of only 15 sessions >> for two whole days!? I found out the theme was all wrong. The plan >> ning committee chose an idea that turned out to have no juice for th >> e association's members. I had spent hours in conference calls with >> the leadership group and the planning committee, and they'd assured >> me that the idea they chose was at the heart of the challenges faci >> ng them and their organizations. Turns out that was dead wrong. No >> body else cared. I don't know how I might have seen through this si >> tuation ahead of time. >> >> I essentially agree with you, H. If the conditions are appropriate, >> it will work. But, if the three experiences above teach me >> anything, it's clear that stuff can always happens. >> >> Ralph Copleman >> >> * >> * >> ========================================================== >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------ >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, >> view the archives of [email protected]: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >> >> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: >> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >> >> * * ========================================================== >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change >> your options, view the archives of [email protected]: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: >> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >> >> >> * * ========================================================== >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change >> your options, view the archives of [email protected]: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: >> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >> >> * * ========================================================== >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change >> your options, view the archives of [email protected]: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: >> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > * > * > ========================================================== > [email protected] > ------------------------------ > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of [email protected]: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >
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