Phelim, Harold, Suzanne and all:
Thanks for maintaining this thread alive.
My idea was not to try to impinge anything, but to provoke a discussion of
the ways we can have "legitimate peripheral participation” - without
disrupting, of course, what is happening in the event.
You have provided many useful ideas.
Let me remind one that you have not commented upon - the idea of having the
reports of the breakout sessions displayed in a wiki. This was done in the
WOSonOS in SvenMark (and I would like to hear comments from the conveners and
the participants that were present about that experience). I have repeated the
experience for an association of Information Systems that had some success as
many
people had laptops and there were many desktops available, so people could read
the reports on the wall but also on the computers.
Anyhow, my idea, is that at some point in the future (but not for sure in
London) with new technologies, we will be able to do OST events or even
WOSonOS’s
in many places simultaneously, connect through some technologies.
On a side note, this could also be interesting for connecting the many
occupy movements or other citizen participation fora.
Artur
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Yes Harold,
You're chiming with my experience. When we did the Devoted and Disgruntled open
space for improvisation a few months ago. We wanted Jim Sweeney to be able to
participate Jim Sweeney is one of the best improvisers in the world and an
elder of that community. He also has MS so would have to join remotely from his
bed where he spends most of his time these days.
So we included Jim as a session. Saying he'd be online in the corner of the
room for about an hour and a half. It was very successful. He had a great
conversation with Roddy Maude-Roxby of Theatre Machine (Keith Johnstone's
original company) and also did some Improvised scenes online.
So including online participation as a session means people who can use their
feet in relation to it rather than trying to bend the whole group to the
technology link as you describe can happen.
Another experience we have had is where Ragnar Friiedank was present roved with
his recording equipment: (IPhone and audio) and created a collage. He didn't
join sessions just walked round the room picking up snatches of conversations
and ambient sound. This be ame a sound collage which captured some of the
atmosphere and passion without disrupting the groups. Of course spreading this
material any wider would involve permissions from people! Particularly actors
for example who's voices are their trade!
Best
Phelim
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On 30 Oct 2011, at 06:15, Harold Shinsato <[email protected]> wrote:
Artur,
>
>Thanks for keeping this conversation alive, and extending the
options for next year's WOSonOS to have a good and beneficial online
presence.
>
>I hope to join the London conversation in person as well and have
some passion for this question and would love to help if possible.
>
>There was an event a couple weeks ago where some folks wanted to
come but couldn't be there in person - so they had a camera and a
TinyChat window open on a laptop to help remote people participate.
I'd managed to convince the group to meet in a circle - though it
wasn't a full on OST event. (This was an Occupy Missoula General
Assembly by the way!) It was interesting to watch the facilitator
pushing to break the energy of the circle and get everyone to talk
to the laptop at the front of the room and a horrible lectern
instead of to the circle. But then the power of the circle won so
instead the facilitator took the laptop with the camera into the
circle and aimed it at the person speaking. The facilitator also
spoke out questions/comments that got typed to the group.
>
>In my judgement, the online participation was very disruptive to the
energy of the circle when the facilitator tried to force everyone to
comply with the needs of that darn laptop. But when the facilitator,
who clearly had passion about including the online people, moved the
laptop to the center and occasionally brought in the thoughts of the
online attendees - it felt like it added to the circle.
>
>This is a tricky one! There are challenges and benefits. Opening
events to an online or recorded presence can either harm or bless,
and usually it does both!
>
>At the WOSonOS in Berlin in 2009 I recorded video and audio of some
of the events - and that seemed to energize some of the
conversations and make it more animated as well as make it possible
to share the power of the conversations. But one session I tried to
record with audio caused discomfort to the convener of the session
and I can understand how even just turning on an audio recorder (let
alone a video camcorder) can change the feeling of freedom and
safety of the participants. This is definitely a dance which can be
gracious and also clumsy.
>
>Whoever Comes and Wherever it Happens both seem to be increasingly
extending out into the internet and online - either with cameras and
microphones or with twitter and blogs. However this happens - it
would be great to have the pre-work help it be more of a blessing
than a curse when WOSonOS comes to London.
>
> Blessings!
> Harold
>
>On 10/23/11 11:11 AM, Artur Silva wrote:
>Hi Phelim,
>>
>>
>>
>>The problem with "Whoever comes are the right people" is: what does it mean
>>"who comes" in these days?
>>
>>I have heard of companies that have made OST meetings with simultaneous
>>gatherings in two or more different locations, connected by ITC. In my
>>opinion all the people in any of those gatherings "came together"
>>
>>I have attended many conferences and meetings with people in many different
>>locations. These people "come together," still being away from each other, in
>>a "coming together" that was mediated by ICT and not by plane (with a lower
>>ecological footprint, btw).
>>
>>We all know of "communities" whose members are far away and even never seen
>>each other (the two of us, as members of the "OST Community", are a good
>>example).
>>
>>And when someone in one place connects with many people in many different
>>places, using Skype or any other tool - including the telephone - are they
>>"coming together" or not?
>>
>>During the OSonOS of 2003 in "SvenMark" the reports of the breakout sessions
>>were immediately putted in a Wiki and displayed in the web, were they could
>>be commented by people not in the meeting and eventually re-commented by the
>>people in the gathering. Being ill in bed with a lot of free time I was one
>>of those long distance participants. IMHO those outside that followed and
>>commented the event were also "coming", in a form of Jean Lave's "legitimate
>>peripheral participation".
>>
>>If OST changed the way we do meetings, ICT is changing the way we "come
>>together" and create communities. I am sure that we can have the best of
>>those two worlds if we are able to think about that in an innovative way.
>>
>>I agree with Susanne's suggestion of creating an international support group
>>to help the London Hosting team with that.
>>
>>Anyhow, I am planning to go to London, so this is not a personnel interest;
>>it is something I think we must consider and the sooner the better.
>>
>>Care
>>
>>Artur
>>
>>
>>PS: You also wrote about "being able to view something through a camera like
>>a security guard". What I think you are missing is that people that are
>>seeing "through the camera" are not security guards. They are OST
>>facilitators, members of the community, that in many cases have already
>>attended OST events and maybe even previous WOSonOS. If that was not true
>>they would never know about the transmission, neither be interested in
>>following it.
>>
>
>
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