Peggy, 

what you wrote had a lot of meaning for me. 
So after this series of postings concerning the critique of "giving fish" 
because distributing fish would be a hindrance for the Open Space magic to 
work, or in the best of cases: a loss of time...
you looked deeper into the (statistically rare it also seems to me) 
situations/OS-contexts where giving fish or facilitating fish distribution may 
be the right thing.

After digesting what you wrote/differentiated I tried to translate/re-condense 
it into a simple "formula" for myself:

Consider fish distribution in cases of extreme lack of context orientation or 
freedom shock

Bernd


On Feb 27, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Peggy Holman wrote:

> I'd like to dive under the metaphor of "distributing fish" when opening 
> space.  What I'm about to say may be controversial, but I think it's a 
> discussion worth having.
> 
> As background, when I first started opening space, I always jumped right in. 
> Ninety-five percent of the time, following a few words from the sponsor, I 
> still do.  I want to be clear that the reflections that follow involve a 
> narrow set of circumstances -- say 1% of the time -- when I have found it 
> useful to give away some fish.
> 
> In that 1% of cases, jumping into Open Space left a sufficient number of 
> people confused, out of focus, and unsure why they had come that I think it 
> reduced the potential of the experience for everyone.  I'd describe most of 
> these situations as high in "freedom shock" -- a wonderful term that Harrison 
> coined to describe, in his words, "the reaction of a very bright, experienced 
> group of professionals who had suddenly been granted everything they wanted 
> with no strings attached, and it seemed to terrify them".
> 
> So when the conditions are ripe for a lot of freedom shock -- say, 20-25% of 
> participants -- I think it's useful to give away a few fish.  
> 
> I'm offering my reflections on What does it mean to distribute fish? When 
> does it makes sense?  How do you do it?
> 
> I would love to hear how others see it.
> 
> What does distributing fish mean to me?
> 
> It means setting the context with why are we here and who is here with more 
> than a few words from the sponsor. It doesn't take much but, I have found 
> circumstances in which setting the stage makes a world of difference for the 
> effectiveness not just for an event, but for what happens afterwards. Far 
> more go fishing on their own and with newfound partners when they've been fed 
> a few fish and learned something about fishing.
> 
> When does it make sense to distribute fish?
> 
> I first ran into the need through the early Journalism That Matters events 
> (http://journalismthatmatters.org/events-notes/), which brought together the 
> "whole system" of journalism.  When I co-hosted the second and third 
> Evolutionary Salons (http://www.thegreatstory.org/ev-salon.html) -- wildly 
> open ended explorations of what it means to be conscious agents of evolution, 
> they added to my reflections on the need for some work up front.
> 
> Even in these events, most jumped right in and ran with the experience.  Yet 
> there was a notable minority, perhaps 1/4 to 1/3, who were so disoriented 
> they left or simply wandered around lost.  They couldn't figure out how to 
> navigate the space.  Now I can make the case that this was exactly the right 
> outcome.  I have no doubt the experience got them cooking.  So this isn't 
> about right or wrong.  It is about overall effectiveness.
> 
> I haven't tried to describe the conditions before now but found them emerging 
> as I thought back on some of the wild rides I've had.  When the following 
> conditions are ALL present, giving away fish is useful:
> 
> *  There isn't the infrastructure of an organization or something that 
> provides an implicit context for all that is happening.
> *  The question is "big" -- which can seem abstract or unfocused to some. 
> (Example: What is the new news ecology and how do we create it?")
> *  The people are coming together just for the event.  While some may know 
> each other, they're all likely to go their separate ways following the 
> experience. When the group is highly diverse, it compounds the situation. (Of 
> course, it also increases the potential of the experience when people have 
> what they need to orient.)
> *  The majority of people coming have never experienced Open Space or 
> something like it. (So not only is the content, while attractive or they 
> wouldn't be there, a stretch, the form is completely unfamiliar.)
> *  There's no clear sponsor in the traditional sense -- a senior manager of 
> an organization or an organization that brings an orienting set of 
> assumptions.  (Journalism That Matters and the group of us co-hosting the 
> Evolutionary Salons just brought interesting questions.)
> 
> In short, if the context isn't easily understood, it's the responsibility of 
> the organizers to make it so.  
> 
> How do you distribute fish?
> 
> I've run into the conditions I described above when working with ambitious 
> societal questions that aren't anchored in pursuing specific activities.  
> Such circumstances don't lend themselves to experts setting the stage.  So I 
> look for ways in which people answer the questions for themselves -- in which 
> they create a context through understanding the mix of intentions present, 
> and who's bringing them.
> 
> In other words, it's still about the people in the room pursuing what matters 
> to them.  
> 
> I've used a variety of approaches to accomplish this, sometimes for an hour, 
> sometimes for a half a day, depending on the situation and the desired 
> outcomes: 
> 
> *  People sharing the questions they've brought with each other, sometimes 
> with a World Cafe around the conference theme.  Sometimes, when there are 
> some folks who have some deep thinking or practice to offer as inspiration, 
> 2-3 are invited as "conversation catalysts", to talk for a max of 10 minutes 
> each, setting the stage for a conversation in the room.  
> 
> *  Creating a "who's coming" bio book sent in advance can give people a sense 
> of who's in the room without spending time on introductions.  Or we'll 
> provide some means for people to self-identify the roles they play.  For 
> example, at a number of Journalism That Matters sessions, we've had stickers 
> for different roles that people could put on their name tags.    
> 
> *  Setting up a "trade show", where anyone can share their work at a table 
> for an hour or so.  It's lively, informal, and people get to spend their time 
> learning about what others are doing.  It also clears the way for folks who 
> come with an agenda to loosen their hold on it because they get a chance to 
> tell their story. 
> 
> By the time they're done with these types of activities, I find even the most 
> freedom shock prone have gotten enough of a grounding to dive into Open Space.
> 
> 
> All these activities are informed by the assumption that people have the 
> answers within them.  They are a way to provide more context when it isn't 
> coming from an obvious source.
> 
> So, that's about it.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> appreciatively,
> Peggy
> 
> 
> 
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> On Feb 24, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:
> 
>> Artur – your point about “teaching” is well taken. And given the state of 
>> language at  the moment it is doubtless necessary to take the route you have 
>> taken in describing the role of teacher-as-mentor/guide. Couldn’t agree 
>> more! But wouldn’t it be nice if real teaching could be defined and 
>> understood as you have suggested? This whole subject is very pertinent to me 
>> at the moment as I am pulling myself together for the upcoming conference 
>> Manila on “The Future of Learning.” I have agreed to do a one day dialogue 
>> on Learning just to raise and shape the questions – then it is on to the 
>> Maine Event which will be 2 days of Open Space. Should be great and we will 
>> be having folks from all over Asia. You should come! And by the way so 
>> should anybody else on the LIST. Dates are March 27-20 and our hostess in 
>> Sharon Chao at SEAMEO-Innotech. For the details contact Sharon 
>> [email protected]
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Harrison Owen
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>> Potomac, MD 20854
>> USA
>>  
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>>  
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>> From: [email protected] 
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf OfArtur Silva
>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:20 AM
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends
>>  
>> Amen for almost everything! And thank you, Harrison, for reminding us of all 
>> this.
>> 
>> 
>> A small observation: I have struggled myself with the same old saying: 
>> "instead of giving a fish, teach them to fish".  Yes, if you "give a fish" 
>> you are patronizing and disempowering the other. But, if you "teach to fish" 
>> aren't you also disempowering him?
>>  
>> Having done professional training and facilitation (intermittently) for 40 
>> years and teaching at Universities for 20 years, I have come to the 
>> conclusion that the role of a Professor is not to teach. It is to help the 
>> students to learn and more specifically to "learn how to learn" - anything, 
>> anytime, for all their lives... 
>>  
>> So it is not "to teach to fish"; it is to help them "to learn (remember?) 
>> how to survive". It may be fishing today, hunting tomorrow, cultivating in 
>> another day, but especially it will change every now and then, and the 
>> student must be prepared to "learn as a way of being" (from the title of a 
>> book of your friend Peter Vaill).
>>  
>> So, indeed the teacher/professor/facilitator must learn how to disappear, so 
>> that the student can surpass the master - at least, if he his younger, as he 
>> probably will continue to learn for a longer time.  
>> 
>> But this is not a disagreement because - if I understood well - this is 
>> exactly what your post says.
>> 
>> Warm regards
>> 
>> Artur
>>  
>> From: Harrison Owen <[email protected]>
>> To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' 
>> <[email protected]> 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:31 PM
>> Subject: [OSList] Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends
>>  
>> There is an old saying to the effect that when seeking to help people it is 
>> infinitely better to teach them to fish than to give them fish. The point is 
>> obvious. When you learn how to fish you can feed yourself. The secondary 
>> point may be less than obvious. When you are simply handed a fish the 
>> conditions for learned helplessness and continued dependence, to say nothing 
>> of subservience are created. Even with the best, most altruistic intentions 
>> in the world, a fish handout has its problems. And what does all this have 
>> to do with the price of tea in China? Not much, I guess, but I think it has 
>> a lot to say about our roles as facilitators.
>>  
>> One of the things I have always loved about Open Space is that it is not 
>> rocket science. Anybody with a good head and good heart can “do it” – a 
>> reality which has been proved time and time again. Early on I thought the 
>> “magic” lay in the simplicity of the process – but it turned out it was 
>> worse than that. There isn’t any process that “We do” – in fact the process 
>> does us. Yes, I know – you have heard all this before… self organization at 
>> work. We are simply remembering what we already know. But well before I made 
>> any connection between Open Space and self-organization, I was struck by its 
>> simplicity and universality – it simply worked… everywhere. The immediate 
>> impact of this realization was a “tag phrase” I found myself uttering at 
>> every opening of space. At the beginning and at the end I told the folks,” 
>> There is absolutely nothing that I am doing with you that you cannot do for 
>> yourselves.” It was all about teaching fishing.
>>  
>> As time went along I found myself working the implications of this phrase. 
>> Substantively, I told everybody who came to me that, while I would be 
>> pleased to open their space, I would do it only once. Should they want to do 
>> it again, I would help from the sidelines, and for all subsequent 
>> gatherings, they were on their own. A second impact on my practice resolved 
>> into a simple phrase: “Think of one more thing not to do.”
>>  
>> Having come into the “business” (of facilitation) in the late ‘60’s I found 
>> myself in the midst of a flowering of methods, techniques and procedures 
>> emanating from the emergent OD movement in all of its manifestations. 
>> Suddenly the “simple meeting” became a massive cookbook of possibilities. 
>> Warm up processes, Ice breakers for starters. Interventions of all sorts 
>> during the main course, with “Kumb’yah”  and holding hands for desert. I 
>> jest, but only just.  Designing such a thing could take months and involve 
>> dozens of people. And when it came to the actual meeting it almost seemed 
>> that the Conference Committee plus assorted Facilitators outnumbered 
>> participants by 2:1. I couldn’t help but wonder…was this trip really 
>> necessary?
>>  
>> In many ways, Open Space (OST) came to me as an answer to my questing. It is 
>> true that two martinis helped and marked the birth, but I think the period 
>> of gestation had been going on for a bit. I have joked that my essential 
>> laziness was the primal cause, but more basic was a deep hope that there had 
>> to be a better way. Was it not possible that human beings could engage in 
>> intelligent conversation without “all that stuff?” The gin helped, I suppose 
>> – but the answer was ridiculously simple: Yes – Just sit in a circle, create 
>> a bulletin board, open a market place, and go to work. All the rest is 
>> history, but I wasn’t out of the woods.
>>  
>> Given my prior experience, to say nothing of the experience and practice of 
>> my friends, I just could not believe that something so simple could possibly 
>> work without help. Obviously we needed to “prepare” for Open Space. And so I 
>> tried any number of warm-ups and ice breakers – trust games, relaxation 
>> exercises, visualizations and more. Most were pleasant, maybe even fun – but 
>> did they really add value?  The only way to find out was not to do them – 
>> and find out.
>>  
>> As often happens, the first iteration of the experiment (dropping stuff) 
>> happened quite unintentionally. I was in South Africa in the anxious days 
>> immediately post Apartheid. We needed to do an Open Space -- FAST. Nobody 
>> had ever heard of Open Space, but they were ready to try anything. So we 
>> just did it. No preparation, no warm up, no nothing. Just the barebones: 
>> circle, bulletin board, market place and to work. And to work they went! I 
>> learned something, which has been confirmed again and again as the 
>> experience grew. When space needs to open – Just Do it.  But I must confess 
>> that holding hands at the end still can feel good, although there is no need 
>> to sing Kumb’yah.
>>  
>> But it wasn’t just the warm ups. As my experience with Open Space was 
>> growing, friends and colleagues were creating their own approaches. Diana 
>> Whitney and David Cooperrider with Appreciative Inquiry and Juanita Brown 
>> with World Café, for example. Wouldn’t it make sense to sequence or combine 
>> all these things? We tried, and it was fun – but did it really make any 
>> difference? Did the work move more swiftly, were the conversations deeper? 
>> Was the follow-on more effective? Despite my best efforts, I could see 
>> little if any improvement, and I really wanted to. And to the extent that 
>> there was a marginal plus, that seemed to have less to do with the 
>> cumulative effect of the several approaches – and more to do with the simple 
>> fact that people had been together longer. In fact on multiple occasions 
>> participants would come up to me to ask why we hadn’t done it all in Open 
>> Space? “That is where the cookie really crumbled,” one person said. 
>> (Translation: “That’s where the conversation really got real.”)
>>  
>> I know this is an argument I can never win. But the truth of the matter is 
>> that there is no argument and I have no interest in winning. Each of us must 
>> make our own judgment as to what might be the most effective and appropriate 
>> in each situation. That said, the fact of the matter is that in 27 years of 
>> observation I have never seen any group of people have the slightest bit of 
>> difficulty entering into Open Space – even when the topic under 
>> consideration was viciously volatile. Always worked, all by itself. I have, 
>> to be sure, seen situations where the sponsors (and often the facilitators) 
>> were more than hesitant. But for the people themselves – no problem.
>>  
>> I suppose there could be an argument if my basic concern were to defend this 
>> approach (OST) against all others, any combination thereof, or extraneous 
>> heterodoxies. Were that the case,  I am sure that I could be (should be!) 
>> accused of a very biased, proprietary self-interest. But my interest is 
>> rather different, and the simple truth of the matter is that I would be 
>> delighted if all methods and approaches were simply to disappear – right 
>> along with every last Facilitator. Throw out the Tool Box and The 
>> Profession! No longer needed. It is all about teaching folks to fish.
>>  
>> I judge myself and the impact of my work by a single criterion: How fast can 
>> I become redundant? How soon can the folks fish for themselves? My task 
>> becomes infinitely easier as the simplicity of my approach increases and the 
>> necessity to explain fades away. Best of all would be a situation where 
>> there is really nothing to explain – just Do it. And then remind the folks 
>> that they did it, and can do it again. No more. No less. After that the only 
>> thing left to do is post a sign: “Gone Fishing!”
>>  
>> Harrison   
>>  
>> Harrison Owen
>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>> Potomac, MD 20854
>> USA
>>  
>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>> Camden, Maine 20854
>>  
>> Phone 301-365-2093
>> (summer)  207-763-3261
>>  
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