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All the best, Spark 2012. 11. 16. 오후 11:25에 "Robin Bowles" <[email protected]>님이 작성: > Dear all > > Though it has been interesting to be part of this group, it is no longer > relevant and I would like to unsubscribe. > > I have sent many, many emails to this effect - no one has replied and I am > on the list. I have even marked your emails as spam and they are still > getting through! > > Please will someone remove me from this list? > > Many thanks in anticipation. > > In friendship, > Robin > > > > > On 15 Nov 2012, at 21:04, [email protected] wrote: > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: How do we manage time in an evening+morning shortish OS? > (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted people?) > (Eleder_BuM) > 2. Re: How do we manage time in an evening+morning shortish OS? > (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted people?) > (Suzanne Daigle) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:37:13 +0100 > From: Eleder_BuM <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] How do we manage time in an evening+morning > shortish OS? (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted > people?) > Message-ID: > <cak1+_w9cqyt0avg0zu2evpzdz8gfjmjw_a8v7edk0z_zou1...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi lovely people around! Some lines with feedback of one OS meeting I > presented on the list. > > The Open Space meeting in Zerain has been fantastic and has offered us some > learning also. Here you can watch a picture of the opening in the church of > the village and read the conversations? > reports<http://zerainherrieredua.wordpress.com/>. > Have you got any Basque speaker around? A good chance to approach her/him > for a coffee,.. :o)! > > At last, no one from "the critics" came. They were invited, they liked the > idea,... but no one came around. Would they have come if we as facilitators > had met them in a previous meeting? How could we have the sponsors and > thier critics to think the big question and write and expand the invitation > together? > > Sponsors seemed easy with this, though, ("we invited them, we would have > liked them in,... but whoever comes,...". Yes, the 1st principle brought > them a big amount of serenity...:o)! > > Maybe next time? This will be an important issue in the evaluation meeting. > > People loved OS. Many of them said at the closing thinks like... > "I was very afraid of such a long meeting,... and it happened to feel > short..." > "I was afraid of one more fashion technique, that tend to be mainly > bubbles,... but this felt very simple and deep stuff..." > > After reading your wise advice, finally, I opted to open the possibility > for new subjects+action proposals during the second morning (The OS, was > Friday 16:00-21:00 + Saturday 10:00-14:00). The group stayed in just more > conversations (not much action proposed yet), with some inspirations for > future action, yes. My learning here was clear. As Lisa had suggested, it > would have been easier for me to propose from the beginning a just > conversation OS. Perhaps asking (in the last 30 minutes before the closing) > for action ideas and quick multivoting, maybe . > > Thanks so much for your support, > > xoxo, > > @Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> > > pd: I co-facilitated with someone new to OS, but very experienced in other > kinds of facilitation, Asier Gallastegi <http://korapilatzen.com/blog/>, > and the work as a tandem was fantastic. I (no car) even drove his car (he > has no licence) :D! Besides, he has done a great visual documenting work, > and we?ll be editing and publishing it soon. > > > > > > 2012/10/23 Eleder_BuM <[email protected]> > > Some weeks ago I asked some questions regarding and OS in which we had a > > big concern: how to invite a small and conflicted group (you can see the > > message below),... After a conversation beween both parts it seems that > > this group is willing to come to the OS. > > > Now I come with another question. > > > - the subject is quite broad (*The self-managing model of our town: > > how do we make it a continually innovating one? *. You can see context > > and subject below). > > - we have scheduled Friday (16:00-21:00) & Saturday (10:00-14:00), > > shiortish I would say, for such a wide topic and conflicted context,... > > - we told the promotors that we would have action proposals and first > > meetings during the second morning... and I?m thinking now that might be > an > > error. I?m afraid that we are giving too short time for just > > conversations as they emerge, forcing a bit all the stuff to have a > report > > with *recommended actions* > > > The thing as we had proposed would be sth like: > > > Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17: first convs; 18: 15; 2nd convs; > > 19: 30: 3rd convs 20: 45 evening news > > > Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; 10:30 Action proposals 11:00 Action > > teams meetings 12:30 Action teams short reports 13:00 closing > > > *I would like better now sth more spaced and real* (things tend to delay > > a bit around here :o), like: > > > Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17:30 first convs; 19:00 2nd convs; > > 20:30 evening news > > > Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; *10:30 3rd convs *(from first day > > proposals)* 12:00 Action proposals+meetings+short reporting *13:30 closing > > > but this kind of Saturday morning would be new to me, combining stuff from > > first day proposals with time for action proposals,...convening the big > > dircle at midday 12:00 for new action proposals,... and I feel a bit > > unsure that would be working fine... > > > Any similar experience? Any suggestions? > > > Love, > > > ** <https://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM>@Eleder_BuM > > www.flowandshow.blogspot.com (En) www.burumapak.blogspot.com (Basque) > > www.in-fluyendo.blogspot.com (Sp) www.bilbohiria.com/gaika/berbaz (radio) > > > > > Context: > > A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years > > experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition, > > but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get > > involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the > > official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more > > voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for > > the next 4 years. > > > Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes > > been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part > > regularly),... > > > Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here. "It?s > > just we the people who govern ourselves". > > > Sponsor: > > The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician > > paid. > > > Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a > > continually innovating one? * > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Eleder_BuM <[email protected]> > > Date: 2012/9/14 > > Subject: How do we invite key and high conflicted people? > > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list < > > [email protected]> > > > > Hi all ! > > > Last day we had the first meeting with the sponsors of a 1?5 OS. We expect > > som 70 participants. > > We could define the subject, dates (9th & 10th Nov). We designed the > > invitation text and process. We arranged for the logistics,... > > > There?s still something important un solved. I?ll try to explain it > > shortly: > > > Context: > > A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years > > experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition, > > but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get > > involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the > > official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more > > voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for > > the next 4 years. > > > Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes > > been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part > > regularly),... > > > Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here. "It?s > > just we the people who govern ourselves". > > > Sponsor: > > The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician > > paid. > > > Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a > > continually innovating one? * > > > There?s *a group of some 10 people highly opposed to the managing and > > ruling model*. They have become a problem for the ruling team. The mayor > > said on the meeting: *"I would like to sleep well after taking > > decissions..."*. They are part of main political parties and are said to > > be planning to "break the self-management tradition ". Last months they > > have written and put in the post-boxes of the neighbours very critical > > annonimous writings against the council team,... > > > Invitation: > > > The sponsors want* to have all the people from the town rethink, adapt, > > their model. They want that everyone feels part of it. They want that even > > the minorities can feel represented. * > > > But they say that "the others" just usually say ?*"I don?t like this; > > neither this; neither this,... "* but don?t help to solve anything. > > > We?ll invite, too, people from outside the village to enrich the > > conversations, bring some fresh air and new views,... > > > Problem: > > They think that this "10 opponents" will probably refuse coming. Everyone > > of us agreed that the OS would be richer if they take part. That conflict > > could transform in great new process,... > > > During the meeting we agreed that the person of the sponsors (council team > > of 7) in best terms with the "leader" of the opponents would meet her and > > explain that the OS will be a good opportunity to find solutions to the > > conflict and grow for everyone,... > > > Some questions: > > > - how would you act as facilitators? > > - Should we just wait and see? > > - If, as expected, they decline the invitation, should we as "neutral" > > facilitators have another try to have then come? > > - Should we contact the sponsors before they meet the opponents and > > ask to be present during this invitation meeting? > > - Could it be better to tell the sponsor "let us contact the opponents > > directly and meet them, as you are part of the conflict and they will > > probably refuse you"? > > - Could we invite them to co-write the invitation, to take part in the > > designing process?... > > > After several OS processes facilitated since Berlin, this one is probably > > the one that best fits the 5 conditions for OS... it has deep conflict! I?m > > eager with it, yeah! And I would really love to have *all *the system in > > the room, and the highly conflicted minority are an important part, I > > guess... > > > Any ideas? > > > Enjoy this great day, > > > Eleder > > > @Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> (Twitter) > > www.burumapak.blogspot.com > > www.flowandshow.blogspot.com > > <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20121115/2bbd230c/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:55:00 -0500 > From: Suzanne Daigle <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] How do we manage time in an evening+morning > shortish OS? (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted > people?) > Message-ID: > <cajh+flcn78ou-daj-nbwwhwggbewbzpqys3f-prg-2yr604...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Wonderful Eleder! Loved reading this and feeling the energy of the group. > On Nov 15, 2012 4:40 AM, "Eleder_BuM" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi lovely people around! Some lines with feedback of one OS meeting I > > presented on the list. > > > The Open Space meeting in Zerain has been fantastic and has offered us > > some learning also. Here you can watch a picture of the opening in the > > church of the village and read the conversations? reports< > http://zerainherrieredua.wordpress.com/>. > > Have you got any Basque speaker around? A good chance to approach her/him > > for a coffee,.. :o)! > > > At last, no one from "the critics" came. They were invited, they liked the > > idea,... but no one came around. Would they have come if we as facilitators > > had met them in a previous meeting? How could we have the sponsors and > > thier critics to think the big question and write and expand the invitation > > together? > > > Sponsors seemed easy with this, though, ("we invited them, we would have > > liked them in,... but whoever comes,...". Yes, the 1st principle brought > > them a big amount of serenity...:o)! > > > Maybe next time? This will be an important issue in the evaluation meeting. > > > People loved OS. Many of them said at the closing thinks like... > > "I was very afraid of such a long meeting,... and it happened to feel > > short..." > > "I was afraid of one more fashion technique, that tend to be mainly > > bubbles,... but this felt very simple and deep stuff..." > > > After reading your wise advice, finally, I opted to open the possibility > > for new subjects+action proposals during the second morning (The OS, was > > Friday 16:00-21:00 + Saturday 10:00-14:00). The group stayed in just more > > conversations (not much action proposed yet), with some inspirations for > > future action, yes. My learning here was clear. As Lisa had suggested, it > > would have been easier for me to propose from the beginning a just > > conversation OS. Perhaps asking (in the last 30 minutes before the closing) > > for action ideas and quick multivoting, maybe . > > > Thanks so much for your support, > > > xoxo, > > > @Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> > > > pd: I co-facilitated with someone new to OS, but very experienced in other > > kinds of facilitation, Asier Gallastegi <http://korapilatzen.com/blog/>, > > and the work as a tandem was fantastic. I (no car) even drove his car (he > > has no licence) :D! Besides, he has done a great visual documenting work, > > and we?ll be editing and publishing it soon. > > > > > > > 2012/10/23 Eleder_BuM <[email protected]> > > > Some weeks ago I asked some questions regarding and OS in which we had a > > big concern: how to invite a small and conflicted group (you can see the > > message below),... After a conversation beween both parts it seems that > > this group is willing to come to the OS. > > > Now I come with another question. > > > - the subject is quite broad (*The self-managing model of our town: > > how do we make it a continually innovating one? *. You can see > > context and subject below). > > - we have scheduled Friday (16:00-21:00) & Saturday (10:00-14:00), > > shiortish I would say, for such a wide topic and conflicted context,... > > - we told the promotors that we would have action proposals and first > > meetings during the second morning... and I?m thinking now that might be > an > > error. I?m afraid that we are giving too short time for just > > conversations as they emerge, forcing a bit all the stuff to have a > report > > with *recommended actions* > > > The thing as we had proposed would be sth like: > > > Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17: first convs; 18: 15; 2nd convs; > > 19: 30: 3rd convs 20: 45 evening news > > > Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; 10:30 Action proposals 11:00 Action > > teams meetings 12:30 Action teams short reports 13:00 closing > > > *I would like better now sth more spaced and real* (things tend to delay > > a bit around here :o), like: > > > Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17:30 first convs; 19:00 2nd convs; > > 20:30 evening news > > > Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; *10:30 3rd convs *(from first day > > proposals)* 12:00 Action proposals+meetings+short reporting *13:30 > > closing > > > but this kind of Saturday morning would be new to me, combining stuff > > from first day proposals with time for action proposals,...convening the > > big dircle at midday 12:00 for new action proposals,... and I feel a bit > > unsure that would be working fine... > > > Any similar experience? Any suggestions? > > > Love, > > > ** <https://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM>@Eleder_BuM > > www.flowandshow.blogspot.com (En) www.burumapak.blogspot.com (Basque) > > www.in-fluyendo.blogspot.com (Sp) www.bilbohiria.com/gaika/berbaz (radio) > > > > > > Context: > > A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years > > experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition, > > but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get > > involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the > > official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more > > voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for > > the next 4 years. > > > Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes > > been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part > > regularly),... > > > Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here. > > "It?s just we the people who govern ourselves". > > > Sponsor: > > The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician > > paid. > > > Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a > > continually innovating one? * > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Eleder_BuM <[email protected]> > > Date: 2012/9/14 > > Subject: How do we invite key and high conflicted people? > > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list < > > [email protected]> > > > > Hi all ! > > > Last day we had the first meeting with the sponsors of a 1?5 OS. We > > expect som 70 participants. > > We could define the subject, dates (9th & 10th Nov). We designed the > > invitation text and process. We arranged for the logistics,... > > > There?s still something important un solved. I?ll try to explain it > > shortly: > > > Context: > > A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years > > experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition, > > but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get > > involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the > > official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more > > voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for > > the next 4 years. > > > Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes > > been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part > > regularly),... > > > Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here. > > "It?s just we the people who govern ourselves". > > > Sponsor: > > The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician > > paid. > > > Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a > > continually innovating one? * > > > There?s *a group of some 10 people highly opposed to the managing and > > ruling model*. They have become a problem for the ruling team. The mayor > > said on the meeting: *"I would like to sleep well after taking > > decissions..."*. They are part of main political parties and are said to > > be planning to "break the self-management tradition ". Last months they > > have written and put in the post-boxes of the neighbours very critical > > annonimous writings against the council team,... > > > Invitation: > > > The sponsors want* to have all the people from the town rethink, adapt, > > their model. They want that everyone feels part of it. They want that even > > the minorities can feel represented. * > > > But they say that "the others" just usually say ?*"I don?t like this; > > neither this; neither this,... "* but don?t help to solve anything. > > > We?ll invite, too, people from outside the village to enrich the > > conversations, bring some fresh air and new views,... > > > Problem: > > They think that this "10 opponents" will probably refuse coming. Everyone > > of us agreed that the OS would be richer if they take part. That conflict > > could transform in great new process,... > > > During the meeting we agreed that the person of the sponsors (council > > team of 7) in best terms with the "leader" of the opponents would meet her > > and explain that the OS will be a good opportunity to find solutions to the > > conflict and grow for everyone,... > > > Some questions: > > > - how would you act as facilitators? > > - Should we just wait and see? > > - If, as expected, they decline the invitation, should we as > > "neutral" facilitators have another try to have then come? > > - Should we contact the sponsors before they meet the opponents and > > ask to be present during this invitation meeting? > > - Could it be better to tell the sponsor "let us contact the > > opponents directly and meet them, as you are part of the conflict and > they > > will probably refuse you"? > > - Could we invite them to co-write the invitation, to take part in > > the designing process?... > > > After several OS processes facilitated since Berlin, this one is probably > > the one that best fits the 5 conditions for OS... it has deep conflict! I?m > > eager with it, yeah! And I would really love to have *all *the system in > > the room, and the highly conflicted minority are an important part, I > > guess... > > > Any ideas? > > > Enjoy this great day, > > > Eleder > > > @Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> (Twitter) > > www.burumapak.blogspot.com > > www.flowandshow.blogspot.com > > <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20121115/9bc0e3f2/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > End of OSList Digest, Vol 21, Issue 10 > ************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > >
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