what a great conversation. I believe as part of keeping my uncredentials as an open spacer, I need to weigh in on the list once a year, I am pleased to do that now. And since I have long ago been certifiable, ;as Chris can attest to in more then one sense, I believe we created adhoc certificates at a training in the 90s so we could get funding from our sponsors....!! So I would like to propose a grandfather clause which would allow everyone automatic de certification. a kind of Bastille Day for those who may still carry the shackles of old, adhocy certification...I will burn my certificate, If I ever find it as I believe we just recycled them that day...as a moment of liberation for the movement. I too believe OST will take care of itself and is its own continuos quality improvement expert. I cant remember if that was me who stood up and said "this isnt OST!!" or did I just think it on a number of occasions....
On Aug8, at 12:30 PM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote: > Chris, > I did not certify you to award certificates such as the certificate No. 1. > You will get my certification to do such things only after you transferred > the 5000 Euro I decided people like you have to pay to me, please see my > earlier mail in this. > In case you dont oblige I uncertify you in all the roles you are > impersonating: facilitator, trainer, etc. In addition I will certify you as > un-confused and utterly useful. You will see where that gets you to. > > Unhugging > mmp > > On 08.08.2013 20:01, Chris Corrigan wrote: >> I hereby award you certificate No. 1 as the first ever officially >> certified non-certified OST facilitator. You are now entitled to >> nothing at all and no one can be guaranteed of anything regarding your >> offerings in this field! >> >> Excellent...the movement is beginning! >> >> Chris >> >> PS...this discussion could lead to us all becoming certifiably confused. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:41 AM, paul levy <p...@cats3000.net >> <mailto:p...@cats3000.net>> wrote: >> >> I'd like to formally propose that we introduce a Certificate of >> Non-Certification which states: "This is to certify that X is not >> certified". This I believe would add enormous credibility and >> endorsement to our practice. We could even certify a group of >> certified non-certifiers to ensure the non-certification process is >> properly certified. >> >> I'm more than happy to be certified over this issue. >> >> Paul Levy >> >> On 8 August 2013 15:50, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net >> <mailto:hho...@verizon.net>> wrote: >> >> Certification (whatever that might mean) seems to be a perennial >> topic. I suppose that is understandable, but for myself it is a >> horrible idea. My reasons are several. First of all it is too >> much work. The thought of developing the criteria, programs, and >> even worse, “protecting the brand” is totally exhausting. We’d >> have to have certifiers to certify the certifiers and so on ad >> infinitum. Second reason – Open Space seems to be taking care of >> itself. When folks come on with “A little Open Space,” “Sort of >> Open Space,” “Modified Open Space,” ... the participants >> (increasingly) understand that they aren’t getting the genuine >> article—and say so. I recall one instance where a large >> gentleman stood up in the middle of the “program” and loudly >> proclaimed, “This sure ain’t Open Space! I’m out of here.” And >> he walked. I guess you could call that “Market Certification.” >> Best of all --- it works all by itself. 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