Hi Alan,

I see and have examined your excellent essayConversare – an experience of treating anyone we meet with respect <http://conversare.net/?p=1590>

Here's what I think:

The Golden Rule, is, well, golden. Your essay is about it. And your essay discusses 1-to-1 interactions in some detail as they pertain to the sending and receiving of respect by and between individuals.

Now-- in a group- that is, a self-organizing social system-- I think respect plays out at the level of group, in the process of self-organizing...

<BLATANTLY SUBJECTIVE OPINION>
Groups typically seek leadership. And so members send these "tagged" packets of respect to others, who receive and then either accept or reject them. The packets are tagged with consent to follow. Tagged with "you have my permission to help lead". Tagged with [authorization to help lead.]

If I tag you, you receive but may ultimately reject my send. If you accept my send, others notice that Daniel tags Alan. The others are observant and independent agents, and so they each decide what's best- and next- for them.

Being tagged with authorization is very flattering to ego, and can be the cause of many sorrows.

And not just for the tag-er and the tag-ee, but for the group as a whole.

In self-organizing systems with high levels of maturity, authorization routinely flows to where it can do the most good in service to the groups primary task.
<BLATANTLY SUBJECTIVE OPINION>

I often wonder what the primary task of the OSLIST group is.


Daniel





On 10/18/14 4:11 AM, Alan Stewart wrote:

Greetings to you Dan, Harrison and All

Dan: I concur with the verity of your two ‘outlandish assertions’ and go further in indicating - from inspirations and observations beyond measure – that


"Whenever we treat each other well good things happen."


And suggest that this be noted in a context as specified by late lamented RD Laing:

"The range of what we think and do is limited by what we fail to notice. And because we fail to notice that we fail to notice there is little we can do to change until we notice how failing to notice shapes our thoughts and deeds."

Our main 'failure to notice' as a species, in my opinion, is the *implications* of practising the Golden Rule. /“Treat others as you would want to be treated” in every situation./ For now acting in the moment (similar to ethical action) with an underpinning of the Golden Rule sets in train possibilities for 'positive' outcomes, with no notion or consideration of what these may be.


My friend Pille Bunnell in Vancouver was prompted to say, in response to my bringing this to her notice:


“… when nice things happen, we can always find good human relations behind them, and so we are once again encouraged by the quality of humanness, and how we love to be this species, /Homo sapiens-amans/. [amans is Latin for ‘loving’].”


  See also my blog post Conversare – an experience of treating anyone
  we meet with respect <http://conversare.net/?p=1590>


  I would add that implicit in the formal agreement between a
  facilitator and a sponsor about the facilitation of an OST event is
  that it be a context in which ‘all voices are heard.’


  Dan: Does that satisfy your second assertion?


  And Harrison, could it be that all participants feeling secure in
  this knowing be the ‘trigger’ for self organising to emerge? Bearing
  in mind that people can detect bs to the nanogram degree! <smile>


  /In our globalized world, everybody is fast becoming our neighbour.
  To be treated well.
  Forever./


  Looking forward


  Go well


  Alan


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On 18 October 2014 05:08, Harrison Owen via OSList <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Dan said:***“... in human systems, there is no such thing as
    self-organization, /whatsoever/, unless and until "respect" is
    successfully sent, and successfully received, by and between the
    members.”*

    **

    Interesting idea... There is no question in my mind that respect
    is critical to effective human interactions. But I am not so sure
    about it being causative for self organization. As a matter of
    fact I rather suspect that the flow of causation goes the other
    way. Or said a little differently -- Respect is a byproduct,
    effect of effective, well working self organization.

    I am not sure how one might prove this, but over the years I have
    been blown away by massively hostile groups of human beings, who
    have spent major effort at being dis-respectful to each other,
    showing real respect for each other in the gathering, and that the
    level of respect seemed to grow as the hours and day passed. There
    are multiple examples, but the earliest one was a gathering of
    some 250 Native Americans, Feds and State and local bureaucrats.
    These folks had been given the task of working out the guidelines
    for the expenditure of something in excess of a billion dollars in
    Highway Trust funds for the purposes of building roads on tribal
    lands. They had spent 2 years fighting and the time was running
out... the money was heading back to the US Treasury. As a last ditch effort they tried a little Open Space. When they entered the
    room it was crystal clear that mutual respect was not a common
    currency. By word, deed, and body language they demonstrated how
    little they thought of their fellows. 48 hours later, they had
    their guidelines, but most remarkable to me was the level of
    mutual respect demonstrated in all sorts of ways, and verbalized
    by one Navaho Chief. In the closing circle he said something like,
    “I have known most of you for some time. And it has not been
    pleasant. But I have to tell you that I have rarely felt so
    listened to and respected as I have felt here. Thank you.”

    Needless to say the word respect, or admonitions for respectful
    conversation had never been uttered by anybody, and certainly not
    me. It just happened, apparently all by itself.

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    *Subject:* [OSList] Respect in Self-Organizing Systems

    Greeting All,

    Here I respectfully offer two (2) completely outlandish
    assertions, for your kind consideration:*



    1. I hereby posit and proffer that, in human systems, there is no
    such thing as self-organization, /whatsoever/, unless and until
    "respect" is successfully sent, and successfully received, by and
    between the members.*

    In other words, in human systems, self-organization is all about
    respect. Specifically, the /sending/ and /receiving/ of it.

    In real time, /all/ the time. Moment by moment.



    *2. I further posit and proffer that, for human systems, the
    concepts of [respect] and [informal authorization] are very
    closely related, and are often identical.*

    Ideally, /formally/ authorized leaders also have /informal/
    authorization; that is, genuine respect. Respect is a medium of
    exchange, and a store of value. Respect is something that can be
    extended to another, and also something that can drawn back by the
    sender at any time, after it is extended.

    Likewise, respect can be withheld entirely. And it often is.


    /"I have used the word 'leadership' instead of 'leader' to
    emphasize a basic point. In the world of Spirit, leadership is the
    capacity to focus Spirit, and is not automatically linked to a
    title or position. Thus, anyone who exercises that capacity is, by
    definition, a leader. Hopefully, titular leaders will also possess
    the capacity of leadership, but that is not necessarily the case."/

    *-Harrison Owen, SPIRIT, page 102, footnote 54.*
    Link: http://www.openspaceworld.com/spirit.pdf


    au·thor·i·za·tion
    ˌôTHərəˈzāSH(ə)n/
    noun: authorization

         1.
    *the right to do work.*
    /    "the group authorized her to proceed with making the plans"/
    //


    re·spect
    rəˈspekt/
    noun
    noun: respect

        1.
    *a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by
    their abilities, qualiti/es, or achievements./*
    /    "the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor"/
    /    synonyms: *esteem*, regard, *high opinion*, admiration,
    reverence, *deference*, *honor*/
    /    "the respect due to a great artist"/
    /    antonyms: contempt/
    /*the state of being admired or respected.*/
    /        "his first chance in over fifteen years to regain respect
    in the business"/
    /*due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of
    others.*/
    /        plural noun: respects/
    /        "respect for human rights"/
    /        synonyms: *due regard*, politeness, courtesy, civility,
    *deference*/
    /        "he spoke to her with respect"/
    /        antonyms: disrespect/
    /        a person's polite greetings./
    /        plural noun: respects/
    /        "give my respects to your parents"/
    /    2./
    /    a particular aspect, point, or detail./
    /    "the government's record in this respect is a mixed one"/
    /    synonyms: aspect, regard, facet, feature, way, sense,
    particular, point, detail/
    /    "the report was accurate in every respect"/

    /verb/
    /verb: respect; 3rd person present: respects; past tense:
    respected; past participle: respected; gerund or present
    participle: respecting/

    /    1.//
    /*admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their
    abilities, qualities, or achievements.*//
    /    "she was respected by everyone she worked with"/
    /*synonyms: esteem, admire, think highly of, have a high opinion
    of, hold in high regard, hold in (high) esteem, look up to,
    revere, reverence, honor*/
    /    "she is highly respected in the book industry"/




    For example, I respect Harrison. And so: Harrison, if you are
    willing to lead, I am willing to follow.

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