Is it Self-organizing or self-organizing, (atman or Atman, spirit or Spirit)? I agree with Harrison, it is both/and.
I think the scientific community uses "self organizing" to refer to the learning that order is emergent rather than imposed when "the conditions are right". There are principles at work that seen to enable self-organization. (As opposed to assuming that real order is imposed by some "outside" force.) This can be demonstrated with some scientific precision at this point, a new learning for science and organization theory. Birds flocking in computer simulations, etc. In fact all order is emergent within its context and principles Many of us see another level of that reality, as Ken Wilbur suggests, where Spirit is continually manifest in each moment of order. Open Space allows us to be more aware of that manifestation and more intentional about creating the conditions and more open to Spirit's intention in that manifestation. Larry Larry Peterson Associates in Transformation 41 Appleton Ave., Toronto, ON, Canada, M6E 3A4 Tel:/Fax: 416-653-4829 [email protected] http://www.inforamp.net/~lpasoc -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 6:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Visit the new World-wide Open Space web site At 12:00 PM 8/19/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Barry, Peg, Koos, and Michael, >I have just checked out the whole site and think you've done a great job and >can only imagine how hard the work must have been to put it all together!!!! >A true thank you. The only thing I am not sure of is whether OST is about >self organizing systems and so I include my comments below to invite members >of the list to a discussion about this. Maybe I am just about to demonstrate >my lack of grasping self organizing systems...... ******************************************************************* Thank God the heathen and great unwashed are still among us. And Birgitt most of all. Welcome Home!!! For whatever it is worth I do think that OST is about Spirit manifesting in time and Space -- AND -- it is also about self-organizing systems. Same thing -- different words so far as I am concerned. first of all, does anybody really suppose that we are going to organize Spirit? Seems to me that is pretty much self (spirit) organization from the git-go. As far as having or not having self-organizing systems (SOS?) at our present stage of development -- I find myself firmly convinced that there are no non-self-organizing systems. There are, to be sure, some (deluded) folks who actually think that they did the organizing -- and worse -- think they are still in charge. And push come to shove -- I really want to say, it is self-organizing systems all the way -- past, present, and future. From the big Bang, to the present moment, to the eschaton (how's your Greek?) -- self organization all the way. Of course, you could say God did it., Which is probably also true. Or -- that is just a manifestation of Spirit. with which I would agree. Welcome Home Digit! -- I love it.... this is what my spell checker did to Birgitt. Go figure! Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 USA Summer address: 189 Beaucaire Ave. RR Box 4248 Camden, ME 04843 Website www.tmn.com/~owen Phone 301-469-9269 Fax 301-983-9314 Maine Phone 207-763-3261
