----- Original Message ----- From: "Elena A. Marchuk" <ma...@mail.nsk.ru> To: <osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: Re: occidentorient
> Hi Kenoli and All my dear friends and collegues > > it is so hard to put all my thoughts in words... even in Russian because it > is still like a question to me - is it people WHO are doing this? so all my > sympathy to all americans and .......not who believe.... in peace work altogether, > I put it wrong, read, please "And to whom, who believe" , = that is a mishandwriting = sorry > Raffi's words are very touching, so WHAT we can do? go out in streets? yes, > may be it will help, but what is the next? I don't believe it will help > solving the problem but probably we really can start with this... if we > can... > > and HOW to do that there will be no next violence but understanding. I hope > world will find the answer to this question/ > > I pray for this - even if I'm learning to do this > > best to all > > elena > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kenoli Oleari" <ken...@igc.org> > To: <osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:04 PM > Subject: Re: occidentorient > > > > Hi Elena -- Good to hear from you. So this is the good question: > > How to do this? What constructive responses have Russians found for > > grief at the hands of others? > > > > The irony is that one response that often follows is to limit our > > freedom in the defense of freedom. Someone on the radio today > > asked the question: "If we discovered that the terrorist was an > > American, would we bomb the American city (s)he came from>" > > > > -- Kenoli > > > > >It is not easy - to love ALL people in this situation, but thank you, > Ruth, > > >we need to keep our love and don't do more cruelty then it is already > exist. > > > > > >how to do this? - the only question > > > > > >I learn to pray, and I'm with all my friends, collegues and all americans > in > > >this very hard days > > > > > >take care > > > > > >hope for the best > > > > > >elena > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Ruth Karzel" <r.kar...@web.de> > > >To: <osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu> > > >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:17 PM > > >Subject: occidentorient > > > > > > > > >> Dear all, > > >> > > >> let me, an OS-apprentice with Michael in Berlin, tell you that I feel > deep > > >grieve for what has happened > > >> > > >> my first sorrow after the news was, "I hope, I hope that not revenge > will > > >be the main thought in Amerika", because violence is the seed for further > > >violence > > >> > > >> your voices are moving and comforting me, speaking about love > > >> > > >> what I thought than was, > > >> this cruel attack sounds like desperation, > > >> it might be the result of the seed of violence, > > >> planted through years and centuries, the result of hurted, > > >> humiliated souls, and - if it really comes from this > > >> eastern part of the world - it is the fruit of a century-old > > >> struggle between Orient and Occident,never resolved since > > >> the times of the cruisades > > >> this old lack of respect on the side of Occident > > >> in front of other civilizations > > >> > > >> all these sounds theory in this moment, I know, > > >> but it should not be forgotten because history > > >> is the backbag of us all (if we want to understand) > > >> > > >> and so > > >> your warm voices are so important now > > >> to help to stop the spiral of hatred, even if it seems difficulty, now > > >(and maybe against certain interests) > > >> > > >> looking at the example of the irish terrorist and the priest, > > >> understanding and transformation are possible, > > >> and the first step to understand is > > >> to understand ourselves and to admit our own abysses > > >> and that they take part of ourselves, as you wrote > > >> > > >> just in this moment writing this the strange thought crossed my head, > that > > >these cruel and desperate murderers did a thing that in reality may be > one > > >face, one expression, the dark side of a whole we are all part of, seeing > > >world like one organism. Perhaps here lies a point to begin to understand > > >the "why???"? > > >> > > >> and so we are concerned as well, we suffer with you in America > > >> and feel deep grieve with you > > >> > > >> warmest blessings > > >> > > >> Ruth Karzel > > >> Berlin > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________________________________ > > >> 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - > http://millionenklick.web.de > > >> ihrn...@web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - > http://freemail.web.de > > >> > > >> * > > >> * > > >> ========================================================== > > >> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > > >> view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, > > >> Visit: > > >> > > >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > >> > > > > > >* > > >* > > >========================================================== > > >osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > > >------------------------------ > > >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > > >view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, > > >Visit: > > > > > >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > > -- > > Kenoli Oleari, Horizons of Change, http://www.horizonsofchange.com > > 1801 Fairview Street, Berkeley, CA 94703 Voice Phone: 510-601-8217, > > Fax: 510-595-8369, Email: ken...@igc.org (or click on: > mailto://ken...@igc.org) > > > > * > > * > > ========================================================== > > osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > > ------------------------------ > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > > view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, > > Visit: > > > > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > > * > * > ========================================================== > osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > ------------------------------ > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, > Visit: > > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
