Yes Chris, good idea Thanks
More tips from your side Or interesting experiences Or something for me to reflext about? Bernd ----- [email protected], on 18.09.2002 at 20:46:46 (GMT/UT + 02:00) On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:18:38 -0700, Chris Corrigan wrote: >For recording oral proceedings, why not just set up a tape recorder >in a room or any other quiet place, and have conveners come in there >and talk about their sessions. Then instead of carrying a disk >around, you carry a cassette. Of course, these comments can always >be transcribed later for readers, or copies of the cassette made for >those that would rather listen to the proceedings. > > >Chris > >--- >CHRIS CORRIGAN Consultation - Facilitation Open Space Technology > >Bowen Island, BC, Canada http://www.chriscorrigan.com >[email protected] > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >Bernd >>Weber Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:52 AM To: >>[email protected] Subject: Re: Open Space in Oral >>Cultures >> >>Judy, >> >>yes it helps-a lot! >> >>S1) "to people the topics" YEAHH S2) symbols or pictures for other >>topics. >>Brings me back to the old idea to ask the people who already know a >>topic to bring an object or symbold for it with them when they >>gather. >>S3) Documentalists/Scribes for each group? >>Possible, but since we try to develop a "model" (in my >>understanding: a social simulation including the simulation >>category 'resource level') which should be broadly appliable also >>when there is no more external project with extra resources, (this >>sustainability criteria makes the solution space even scarcer) >>there are no scribes. In the traditional communities of the >>interior usually only the chief (of several communities) has 1 >>scribe (for communication with the external world based on written >>language). But there have to be compromises if externalized >>documentation is necessary: either paper and markers/finger >>colours? for drawing, or throw-away-or digital camera to take >>pictures of the (traditional) sand-drawings. >> >>Q4: But is externalized documentation in an oral culture necessary? >>In alphabetic cultures the documents is/or can be an indicator for >>committment and guarantee, that the x-process output can be >>transformed in an x+1process-input. But oral tradition seems to >>build up a complex system of documentalist-stories. >> >>----- >>[email protected], on 16.09.2002 at 17:33:37 (GMT/UT + 02:00) >> >> >>On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:59:12 -0300, J. Richardson wrote: >>>Hi Bernd, >>> >>>Wow - thank you for sharing such deep inquiry. During one OST I >>>facilitated, many among the participants could not read and write. >>>We chose to have people speak their topic and line up along the >>>side of the group. >>>Once all the topics were "posted or peopled", those standing in >>>line spoke their topic one more time and moved to wherever they >>>wanted to meet to discuss. A few wanted to post more than one >>>topic and drew a symbol or picture for their other topic. The >>>sponsoring group wanted the proceedings captured -- someone from >>>each discussion group artistically drew the proceedings and we had >>>scribes for each group to also capture the information. >>> >>>Hope this helps, Bernd. Congratulations on developing your >>>vision. >>> >>>Judi Judith Richardson [email protected] Pono Consultants >>>International Facilitating the Flow of Inspired Collaboration >>>(902) 435-0308 www.ponoconsultants.com >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: WB-TrainConsult <[email protected]> To: >>><[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 >>>11:18 AM Subject: Open Space in Oral Cultures >>> >>> >>>>Dear os-list >>>> >>>>my client asked me to write this email to the os-list. >>>> >>>>I have meanwhile facilitated several small OST events here in >>>>central Mozambique and started some os-sensibilization and ost- >>>>training (by doing) for community development facilitators of the >>>>Rural Development Program and a national ONG collaborating with >>>>them in land-right issues and I have roughly presented various >>>>other "organization transformative large group facilitation >>>>techniques" (that is my way to speak about the 18++methods) to >>>>this group. >>>> >>>>They decided, that OST (and Future Search) could play an >>>>important role in a Sofala-Community-Development-Model, which we >>>>are about to construct together at the basis-level of an SIAD- >>>>approach (Systemic Integrated Area Development), which is >>>>networking at three levels I. Community Development (fighting >>>>poverty, producing the social energy) II. District Development >>>>(bundeling and coordinating it) III. Provincial Level (supporting >>>>it) >>>> >>>>After having paired the Community Development Facilitators (who >>>>are part of the Rural Area Development Programme) with the >>>>Community Development Animators (who are part of the communities) >>>>the next step would be to realize do help prepare these tandems >>>>to open space again and again in the communties of the focal >>>>districts as part of the community animation/development process. >>>> >>>>So there arise several questions related to the one basic >>>>question: "How to realize OST-events in very poor rural >>>>communities, where people have a purely oral tradition?" that is: >>>>they do not write, do not read, have no access to money (well: >>>>less than 0,2 USD/family and day) and technology (well, I saw >>>>portable radios around some necks)? >>>> >>>>I discussed it this morning with the internal consultant (JPV). >>>>We are an internal/external OD-consultancy-tandem which is the >>>>nucleus of the OD-consultancy system within the Rural Development >>>>Programm. >>>>The next circle of the Development System around us (at >>>>implementation level) are already the Community Facilitators and >>>>their District Coordinators). >>>> >>>>JPV said: "It is impossible! How should they write and post the >>>>"temas de paixao"? They can not even write their name! These >>>>people from the 'interior' can not interprete x/y-grids like the >>>>time/space slots of the bulletin board! How can they organize >>>>their working groups without the bulletin board? They can not >>>>documentate their working results! They have no watches! They can >>>>not start another group in one and a half hour! Forget it!" >>>> >>>>I said: "Calma! Wait! Describing people as illiterates focuses on >>>>deficits from our point of view. But what is the function of >>>>fixing the themes of the working groups? What is the function of >>>>written or visual documentation? It substitutes mental operations >>>>which we, the non-oral people can not any longer realize. We lost >>>>a lot of complexity of our memories. And the people in the >>>>communities would not be stranger groups. They know each other. >>>>So if one of them goes to the center of the circle and tells >>>>them, what he/she wants to do in the group, there is already a >>>>mental framework of reference in place, they will easily remind >>>>which problem this and that guy wanted to resolve together with >>>>others. They are able to manage 20 or 30 person-related items! (I >>>>gave examples of tremendous memory acts I had experienced with >>>>illiterate people here)...WE are not! And with the breakout-room >>>>organization it is somehow the same. They all know their >>>>territory, so they will be able to memorize the triples person- >>>>item-space (who-what-where). >>>>And since it will start at the right time and be over when it is >>>>over, we have just to install the basic breathing rhytm of the >>>>community. Coming together and breaking out, coming together and >>>>breaking out." >>>> >>>>After breathing a little for my-self, I continued: "You know, >>>>Harrison insists that he did not invent but discover OST. And he >>>>speaks of its African roots. And in my interpretation Harrison's >>>>OST with its postings on the bulletin board and its report- >>>>system is an adaptation of a stone-age-time social innovation of >>>>feasable face2face self-organization of communities for people of >>>>an industrialized culture, reminding them of their often >>>>forgotten capacities to self-organize. So why not try to go back >>>>to the roots? >>>>I believe, it is possible" >>>> >>>>Well, I was in vision-mood and -energy, there and when I said >>>>that. >>>>But up to now it is only a deep conviction. So perhaps it is not >>>>true. And perhaps we will not be able to materialize such a >>>>vision. >>>> >>>>So I am at the point where >>>> >>>>I REALLY NEED HELP FROM YOU OUT THERE! >>>> >>>>My questions (for now): >>>> >>>>1) Should I take the responsibility to invite my client to go for >>>>such a journey? >>>>In other words: is it possible to realize open space with people >>>>who are completely illiterate? >>>> >>>>2) Are there practical experiences I can rely on? >>>> >>>>3) Wouldn't it be necessary (and great) to make OST even simpler? >>>>(Putting a part of the external instrumentation back into the >>>>heads) >>>> >>>> >>>>Bernd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>----- >>>>[email protected] 16.09.2002 at 14:59:39 (GMT/UT + 02:00) >>>>1) attached to this e-mail : No file 2) All attached files are >>>>mentioned by name in the lines above.Please do not open any other >>>>attachment! >>>>3) Please send text documents in RichTextFormat/*.rtf, if >>>>possible. >>>>This also facilitates communication between the mac- and ms- >>>>world. >>>> >>>>---- >>>>Bernd Weber Organization Development Consultant >>>> >>>>"DEVELOP YOUR CAPACITIES - MATERIALIZE YOUR VISION" >>>> >>>> >>>>C.P. 1462, Beira, Sofala, MOZAMBIQUE fone: +258-3-32 98 59, >>>>cellfone:+258-82-43 79 77 >>>> >>>>----- >>>>WB-TrainConsult management- & human resources training, >>>>consulting & development ----- >>>>Gumpendorfer Straße 88b/18, AT-1060 Wien, AUSTRIA fone & fax: >>>>+431 596 86 57, cellfone: +43 0662 7667872 ----- >>>>Inscricao no grupo de discussao "Sistemas organizacionais": >>>>Escrever um email para o endereco <sis-org- >>>>[email protected]> >>>> >>>>* * ========================================================== >>>>[email protected] ------------------------------ >>>>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives >>>>of [email protected], Visit: >>>> >>>>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >>>> >>> >>>* * ========================================================== >>>[email protected] ------------------------------ >>>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives >>>of [email protected], Visit: >>> >>>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >> >>* * ========================================================== >>[email protected] ------------------------------ >>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives >>of [email protected], Visit: >> >>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > >* * ========================================================== >[email protected] ------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >[email protected], Visit: > >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected], Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
