Dear Chris - thanks for your passion. It was very feelable in reading. And thanks for taking action. Catherine
Catherine Pfaehler Kellersriedweg 8 CH - 2503 Biel T/F/B ++41 - (0)32 - 365 68 41 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]]Im Auftrag von chris macrae Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Dezember 2003 20:55 An: [email protected] Betreff: Re: Four way translation of open space Dominique, I think I largely agree with your sensitivities or spirit. And I certainly agree that if we pick on every English word (because we distrust most who wordsmith words) we are in trouble. I am a mathematician and not very good with words but please note I did not use the word targeting, you infiltrated that word into what I was trying to say. Having clarified where I am trying to come from Then 1) Yes I love this sentence: . If a few of us perceive conflicts as rich and positive opportunities for growth and creativity, I believe it is important to remember that for most, those terms actually describe painful experiences that are to be avoided if possible - or to be used to maintain power. 2) I see not a lot of difference between my sentence and yours that follows but am happy to be told which is better for whom: " ...for transforming the dynamics of conflict, change and chaos into productive processes stimulating participation, individual and group commitment, and collaborative solution-building behaviours." 3) As a European myself, I can't wait to see the people make Europe themselves. Wouldn't it be good not to depend on some dignitaries and other deciders to make things happen in an open way? Question is: how to do it and where to start -well now we're at the big issue, and it interests me how there is a parallel between how american people were robbed and how Europeans were In america's case what is needed is for 0-funded president to beat 250 million dollar ad funded by big business president to win , and to hope that the zero-funded president is the real McCoy. This is the big game of 2004 across USA- fingers crossed the opens win... In Europe's case, the problem seems to me to get back to discussing why we all accepted another layer of government (command & control on top of national command & control). The only identity that got the EU into existence was "no more wars started in Europe". Somewhere along the line the bureaucrats have so fiddled with commanding over tangibles like agriculture and intangibles like Gatts that the EU has is now in a compound way certainly adding cost for every citizen and probably betraying its structural design of facilitating no more wars by helping to be the route cause compounding desperation outside its boundaries; 4) Knowing all this if I can get the EU to sponsor a meeting of those who would try and free the people from its chains in an area KM where billions of Euros are spent on chaining hierarchy, then on that issue I completely misunderstand your targeted message at my suggestion. By sponsor I don't even mean money - I really mean the authority and news that it is happening, and is important enough to be in the EU's remit of permissionary influence to draw big hitters/observers/commentaors as well as passionate believers in whatever cause they wish to open up. I also happen to believe if this is done with a few good souls of the EU present they may learn to want more and more open forums rather than meeting and funding rules which in a convoluted way are the very opposite of opening passionate debate of the people by the people cheers chris macrae here's an EU space to play with words and conversations http://www.knowledgeboard.com/community/zones/sig/kmei.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dominique Proudhon Sent: 28 December 2003 18:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Four way translation of open space >Systemically it is also the simplest tool people will have for communally valuing the dynamics of Conflict, Change and Chaos. I'm not sure what "communally valuing de dynamics..." can mean to the folks you are targeting. Believe they would find it scary. If a few of us perceive conflicts as rich and positive opportunities for growth and creativity, I believe it is important to remember that for most, those terms actually describe painful experiences that are to be avoided if possible - or to be used to maintain power. Most people I meet seem to believe that the "word" IS the "thing" it describes. So better put ourselves in their shoes when using words... I would propose: " ...for transforming the dynamics of conflict, change and chaos into productive processes stimulating participation, individual and group commitment, and collaborative solution-building behaviors." >ps trying to open space the readers of this European Union web in 2004 (crossing a lot of fingers) As an old friend of mine would say: "If you are trying, it is very possible you are not doing". What if the European policy makers and other professionals you are talking about are not the best open minds? What if their very status depend on minimal participation and involvement? As a European myself, I can't wait to see the people make Europe themselves. Wouldn't it be good not to depend on some dignitaries and other deciders to make things happen in an open way? Question is: how to do it and where to start? Best of luck in your efforts and keep us posted! 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