I apologize, Harrison, if my comment sounded like a criticism of Wilber. It was not intended to be. As I stated, since Wilber and Spiral Dynamics were referenced in the same breath in a discussion about research, I wanted to MILDLY caution that the Wilber/Beck 'take' on Spiral Dynamics is not the only one. There is, indeed, a schism amongst Spiral Dynamics scholars and some of them feel that Wilber's adaptation of Spiral Dynamics is significantly mis-aligned.
Wilber supports his significantly altered view of Spiral Dynamics. . . not quite the same thing as supporting Spiral Dynamics. On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:12:16 -0500, Harrison Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > Therese -- when you go around in circles (or spirals) who knows where you > will come out. I don't think anybody has accused Ken Wilber of creating > Spiral Dynamics. And just to display my own biases (critical judgment?), why > would he want to when his own work, in my humble opinion, is above, beyond, > and deeper than all the spirals. But the problem with Wilber's stuff is that > for all of its elegance and profundity, it is almost impossible to make > practical applications. I think Wilber has understood that, which may be why > he has been a supporter of Spiral Dynamics. My own take is that if I want to > jump into the infinite majesty (to say nothing of complexity) manifest in > the evolution of human consciousness -- Ken Wilber has few peers. But when > it comes to practical applications, my poor, aged head just can't get the > few remaining neurons and synapses to surround the multi-colored hues of > Spiral dynamics. I prefer the original -- The Great Chain of Being. > Different strokes for different folks! > > And for those of you who may be reading this with some small degree of > skepticism or confusion. Don't worry. That said you really might enjoy a > good read with something like Ken Wilber's "A Brief History of Everything." > > Harrison > > Harrison Owen > 7808 River Falls Drive > Potomac, Maryland 20845 > Phone 301-365-2093 > > Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com > Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org > Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm > [email protected] > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Therese > Fitzpatrick > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 4:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Research Reminder > > Just a small response to Larry's passing comment about "Ken Wilber and > Spiral Dynamics". Ken Wilber did not develop the Spiral Dynamics (SD) > model and his use of Spiral Dynamics has revealed a bit of a schism in > SD circles. Since the topic is 'research', I just felt a mile need to > clarify that Ken Wilber's Spiral Dynamics is not considered Spiral > Dynamics by everyone. > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:33:39 +0100, Lucas Gonzalez <[email protected]> wrote: > > --- Harrison Owen <[email protected]> escribió: > > > OK Larry :-) I have a 400 person OS with a major health care > > > provider. I am > > > forwarding them the material, and if they are agreeable, we are off > > > to the > > > races. > > > > Wow - that would make it two on health-care! > > > > Is health-care particularly complex? I'm biased as that's where I > > work. And yes, they are planning a local meeting which will not be in > > open space at all. > > > > What makes an organisation or situation particularly complex? Any > > examples of something that looked complex and was not so, or the other > > way round? My initial guess is that complexity is always present, even > > if we don't look at it. But I'm not sure. > > > > Lucas > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ¡250 MB GRATIS! > > Nuevos servicios, más seguridad > > http://correo.yahoo.es > > > > * > > * > > ========================================================== > > [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > > view the archives of [email protected]: > > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > > > -- > Warmly, > Therese Fitzpatrick > > * > * > ========================================================== > [email protected] > ------------------------------ > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of [email protected]: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > * > * > ========================================================== > [email protected] > ------------------------------ > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of [email protected]: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > -- Warmly, Therese Fitzpatrick * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
