Judy wrote: "I think you are right that they are already there...I have a few buzzards that I work with...! Uggggh....what do you do with completely close-minded individuals who won't even consider anything but sucking the energy out of other individuals for their own gain??"
Harrison wrote: A few well placed shots to the tail-feathers seems to clear the roost! As I hear your conversation, the question it raises for me is, What do you do with the person who functions like a virus in the organization? How do we regulate the virus while allowing the circle to be large enough to include him/her? What role does the virus play in an organization? Where or how does the immune system keep the virus in check? As I understand some medical models, the virus has at least three characteristics--1) Cannot replicate off of its own DNA. It has to have a host cell, 2) It doesn't understand boundaries, always sticking nose where doesn't belong, and 3) Does not learn from experience. It is so deep in their behavior, maybe even in their (I hope I shouldn't say "My" or "Our" and can say they and them) natures, that they don't seem to learn from their experience. With these comments, what role does the virus play for the organization? Practically speaking, how can we accept even the virus--while continuing to regulate their behavior,set the agenda, or not allowing them to create in us anxiety or the desire to destroy? (While I can talk about this theoretically, in practical situations, it is not easy.) Thanks, Craig <br><br><br>----Original Message Follows----<br>From: Harrison Owen <[email protected]><br>Reply-To: OSLIST <[email protected]><br>To: [email protected]<br>Subject: Re: FW: Buzzards, Bats, and Bumblebees<br>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:40:55 -0400<br><br>Judy wrote: "I think you are right that they are already there...I have a<br>few buzzards that I work with...! Uggggh....what do you do with completely<br>close-minded individuals who won't even consider anything but sucking the<br>energy out of other individuals for their own gain??"<br><br>**************************<br><br>Well -- how about a story? We have a roosting colony of Black Buzzards that<br>inhabit our neighborhood in the fall (prior to migration, mating and other<br>pleasures of buzzardly life). Roosting means that they come in and sit in<br>our trees/roofs/out buildings. Not just a few -- but a 100 or so. These are<br>not small birds! Jet black with 6' wing span. Sinister to put it mildly. And<br>as they say in another connection -- garbage in -- garbage out. Does not<br>improve the neighborhood!!!<br><br>Solution: (Might work in Open Space???) Small rockets at dusk (when they are<br>nestling in for the night). Nothing lethal -- but definitely attention<br>getting. BB Guns -- A few well placed shots to the tail-feathers seems to<br>clear the roost!<br><br>Harrison<br><br>Harrison Owen<br>7808 River Falls Drive<br>Potomac, Maryland 20845<br>Phone 301-365-2093<br><br>Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com<br>Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org<br>Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm<br>[email protected]<br>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit:<br>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Spady's<br>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:08 PM<br>To: [email protected]<br>Subject: Re: FW: Buzzards, Bats, and Bumblebees<br><br>I think you are right that they are already there...I have a few buzzards<br>that I work with...! Uggggh....what do you do with completely close-minded<br>individuals who won't even consider anything but sucking the energy out of<br>other individuals for their own gain??<br><br>Judy Spady<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Harrison Owen" <[email protected]><br>To: <[email protected]><br>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:36 PM<br>Subject: Re: FW: Buzzards, Bats, and Bumblebees<br><br><br> > No offence -- but are you suggesting that we add buzzards and bats? Or<br> > maybe<br> > they are already there? Interesting possibilities :-)<br> ><br> > ho<br> ><br> > Harrison Owen<br> > 7808 River Falls Drive<br> > Potomac, Maryland 20845<br> > Phone 301-365-2093<br> ><br> > Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com<br> > Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org<br> > Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm<br> > [email protected]<br> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit:<br> > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > -----Original Message-----<br> > From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Spady's<br> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:30 PM<br> > To: [email protected]<br> > Subject: Fw: FW: Buzzards, Bats, and Bumblebees<br> ><br> > Sort of an interesting perspective about space that "seems" open, but<br> > really<br> > isn't. Sorry if this offends anyone in regards to the religious<br> > connotation.<br> > Judy Spady<br> ><br> > ----- Original Message -----<br> > From: "Huntmac" <[email protected]><br> > To: "Janet Rammage" <[email protected]>; "Teresa Newman" <[email protected]>;<br> > <[email protected]>; "Robert Malesich" <[email protected]>; "Marla"<br> > <[email protected]>; "Judy" <[email protected]>;<br> > <[email protected]>; "Aron Earl" <[email protected]>;<br> > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]><br> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:44 AM<br> > Subject: Fw: FW: Buzzards, Bats, and Bumblebees<br> ><br> ><br> >><br> >> ----- Original Message -----<br> >> From: "Rich Meyer" <[email protected]><br> >> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:37 PM<br> >> Subject: Fwd: FW: Buzzards, Bats, and Bumblebees<br> >><br> >><br> >>><br> >>><br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>> > This is very interesting information... we can all gain<br> >>>> > a new perspective or two....<br> >>>> ><br> >>>> > BUZZARD<br> >>>> ><br> >>>> > If you put a buzzard in a pen that is 6 feet by 8 feet and is<br> >>>> > entirely open at the top, the bird, in spite of its ability to<br> >>>> > fly, will be an absolute prisoner. The reason is that a buzzard<br> >>>> > always begins a flight from the ground with a run of 10 to 12<br> >>>> > feet. Without space to run, as is its habit, it will not even<br> >>>> > attempt to fly, but will remain a prisoner for life in a small<br> >>>> > jail with no top.<br> >>>> ><br> >>>> > BAT<br> >>>> ><br> >>>> > The ordinary bat that flies around at night, a remarkably<br> >>>> > nimble creature in the air, cannot take off from a level place.<br> >>>> > If it is placed on the floor or flat ground, all it can do is shuffle<br> >>>> > about helplessly and, no doubt, painfully, until it reaches some<br> >>>> > slight elevation from which it can throw itself into the air. Then,<br> >>>> > at once, it takes off like a flash.<br> >>>> ><br> >>>> > BUMBLEBEE<br> >>>> ><br> >>>> > A bumblebee, if dropped into an open tumbler, will be there<br> >>>> > until it dies, unless it is taken out. It never sees the means of<br> >>>> > escape at the top, but persists in trying to find some way out<br> >>>> > through the sides near the bottom. It will seek a way where<br> >>>> > none exists, until it completely destroys itself.<br> >>>> ><br> >>>> > PEOPLE<br> >>>> ><br> >>>> > In many ways, there are lots of people like the buzzard, the bat,<br> >>>> > and the bumblebee. They are struggling about with all their<br> >>>> > problems and frustrations, not ever realizing that the answer is<br> >>>> > right there "Above" them.<br> >>>> ><br> >>>> ><br> >>><br> >>><br> >><br> >><br> ><br> > *<br> > *<br> > ==========================================================<br> > [email protected]<br> > ------------------------------<br> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,<br> > view the archives of [email protected]:<br> > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html<br> ><br> > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs:<br> > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist<br> ><br> > *<br> > *<br> > ==========================================================<br> > [email protected]<br> > ------------------------------<br> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,<br> > view the archives of [email protected]:<br> > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html<br> ><br> > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs:<br> > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist<br><br>*<br>*<br>==========================================================<br>[email protected]<br>------------------------------<br>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,<br>view the archives of [email protected]:<br>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html<br><br>To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs:<br>http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist<br><br>*<br>*<br>==========================================================<br>[email protected]<br>------------------------------<br>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,<br>view the archives of [email protected]:<br>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html<br><br>To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs:<br>http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist<br> * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
