According to me; the impact of OST can change the world reality or be just a 
dream (like a drug through which you discover yr power, get inspired
but get back to reality soon)...

Can freedom, inspiration, conversation, collaboration created there sustain? 

We don't know...it depends on many things.

Take OSList, OSCommunity...people who say that they want to make their lives 
OS; OST has been around the world for 
20 years.

The subject the participants were excited about before the last OSonOS was 
"whale watching".

Most people i hear there live in the so called developed part of the 
world.....why other voices are not coming from all around the world,
(who have been spending their lives to catch up the developed part, getting the 
technology; learning english -at least-)?..considering that
OST has been around for 20 years.

You can say ...as Michael says..." i am a facilitator there, not a participant. 
It's their problem, not mine. I don't even understand it"

OK i still respect your efforts, your support, the space given, the fact that 
you're here to listen..

But if we can not do some more effort to include the rest of the world, then 
OST is only a drug with having a strong impact for a short time.
It's still good and fun.             

Funda
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Harrison Owen 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:52 PM
  Subject: Re: Open Space - a minimum?


  Filiz -- I don't know that you read what you quoted in my book, "The Practice 
of Peace," but you could have, 'cause I said it. And Paul -- the fact that 
medicine (and even more so Public Health) does some good, (and it does) I don't 
think changes things that much. Some years ago I was at the National Institutes 
of Health with basic responsibility for patient, public, and professional 
education in the area of heart lung and blood diseases. That in itself does not 
make me a medical expert, for sure -- but it was a generally accepted "fact" at 
the Institutes and in the world of Public Health that just about 95% of all 
disease is self-limiting -- which means you will either get better or die, but 
that in any case medicine won't help that much. In the remaining 5% of the 
cases medical practice and public health does help -- but the way they help is 
instructive, I think. They assist the body until such time as it can take over 
-- and the actual healing process, if healing does occur, is a function of the 
body. The basic issue is that as much as we may know about the body, its 
complex interconnections vastly exceed our feeble understanding. And even when 
we have it right in general, each individual is unique. It is the old problem 
of putting Humpty Dumpty together again -- which as you will remember -- 
neither all the King's Horses nor all the King's men could pull it off. And I 
don't think we are in much better shape. But healing does occur, more often 
than not, and the hero is our old friend self-organization, or  so it seems. It 
is a dictum among many physicians that he/she who practices best, practices 
least. Minimal intervention. Do as little as possible, and just enough to get 
the old body kick started. Anything more only invites massive doses of 
unintended consequences which often have lethal consequences. 

  In writing what I did, my intent was not to provide information about medical 
and public health practice, which is obviously beyond my competence. My purpose 
was to use the physical body as a metaphor for the body politic -- and make the 
same point: He/she who practices least, practices best. Otherwise known as 
thinking of one more thing not to do. I believe this has been our experience in 
Open Space and I was suggesting that the same approach (minimalism) works well 
in the larger open space of our lives. 

  Harrison 

    
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    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: [email protected] 
    To: [email protected] 
    Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:49 PM
    Subject: Re: Open Space - a minimum?



    In a message dated 8/15/05 9:03:24 AM, [email protected] writes:



      I once read somewhere that body does the most of the healing process 
itself...all those medicine we take has just such a little role to activate 
certain actions, chemicals, interactions to happen in the body. but eventually 
the body heals itself...what a fascinating thought!



    Filiz:

    Well, you haven't lived when there were none of those drugs and the body 
didn't heal itself.  You never had to not go swimming in the summer because of 
the wild polio virus living in the water could make you sick or kill you or 
paralyze you for life.  An iron lung is no place to live.  Leg braces are no 
fun.  Joelle experienced that.  

    You never saw a child die from coughing (Whooping cough) or from a staph or 
strep infection that ran wild in the body which wasn't healing itself.  Before 
simple forms of cleanliness, ONE THIRD of all women who delivered babies in the 
hospitals of the time died of "childbirth fever".  Think about that FACT.  

    People forget really fast that we are healthy because of those drugs and 
practices that have saved millions of lives and allowed people to remain 
healthy.  

    That's one of my 'hot buttons', the idea that modern medicine doesn't 
prevent disease, that the body does all the healing, etc.  It's all baloney.  
Life is immeasureably better now because of vaccinations, immunizations, drugs, 
etc.  Immeasureably better here where we are safe from the malarial mosquito 
but we refuse to allow the rest of the impoverished world to use a marvelous 
mosquito killer called DDT.  We think it is better for people to die, or be 
horribly sick, than to use, effectively and carefully, a chemical that has been 
proven to work very, very well.  It has side issues, but compared to human 
life, they are side issues.  Silent Spring was a cannon blasting a brush 
covered machine gun nest, total overkill that has negatively affected the lives 
of tens of millions of people.

    Now, I'm almost off my soap box.

    Be well and be thankful for medical science.

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