i've done OS inside of conferences and as the conference, and inside is definitely challenging. i think some resolution comes for us as facilitators if we give up on much of what we think OS is or could or should be in these times, and just open space. just be a gathering point for something new. these conferences don't really have *any* space for new things or reflection. so rather than seeing the schedule constraints as limiting newness/reflection, i think it's possible to present/invite/open *for* exactly that -- newness and depth -- and understand that we are adding that to the main conference. so they are not missing *from* the OS time, they are offered and added *by* the OS time. this lets a lot of OS structures go away, and can be a bit of a slippery slope to hold it all together, but in most cases it's just hard on the facilitator ego, being the captain of something so shapeless. where we'd prefer to be big clouds of rain, we end up being more like the rivulets running over and around the roots of the trees... but all part of the same flow, in the end, i think.
On 12/14/06, Diana Larsen <[email protected]> wrote:
Ted, I feel your pain. After having wrestled with the jellyfish of planning an OS within a traditional conference a few times now, I'm ready to cry "uncle!" I think you're doing really well to get any time for evening news _or_ morning announcements. I had hold my ground to have opening and closing times set aside (and, in one case, space as well). When I asked the list about opening space within a traditional conference, Harrison said he doesn't do it. I'd been recruited, so I tried to make it work. Now I'm converted to his position. ;-) Open Space only conferences for me. And, since it the situation you've got...If you want participants to show up for the closing OS within a traditional conference, I suggest sticking to the evening news slot. Gets them in the habit of ending the day in OS, and gives a greater chance they'll show up for closing. Good Luck! Diana Diana Larsen 503-288-3550 www.futureworksconsulting.com co-author, "Agile Retrospectives: Making Good Teams Great!" Amazon Best Books of 2006 Top Ten Editors' Picks: computer & internet http://tinyurl.com/ynacvb Attend "Agile Open Northwest 2007: Agile for Real" January 30-31 2007, Portland OR http://www.agileopennorthwest.org On Dec 14, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Ted Ernst wrote: > not sure this is possible - since we're interfacing with a > traditional conference, I can't just set my own arbitrary times > that don't respect the framework - I tried that in August and there > were just too many distractions. We did morning news during a > coffee break after a keynote and people were too busy with coffee > to come. The closing was during another coffee break and people > wanted to get good seats for the keynote that would follow. Of > course I'll squeeze in if I have to, but can't shave lunch and > expect anyone will pay any attention :-) > > On 12/14/06, Michael Herman <[email protected]> wrote: ted, > surely you could do morn news as usual, shave lunch and the last > session by 15 mins each to scare up an evening 30 mins. or find just > 15 for the evening news time and let it naturally claim a bit more, on > the strength of its own momentum at the time? mh > > > > On 12/14/06, Ted Ernst <[email protected] > wrote: > > 3 day traditional conference (WikiSym) with dedicated time for > open space > > opening first day and evening news on days 1, 2 and 3 (3rd day > we'll do a > > closing instead). The initial draft schedule doesn't have > morning news on > > days 2 or 3. If I cannot get those put in the schedule, would > you recommend > > swapping the day 1 and 2 evening newses for day 2 and 3 morning > news or > > leave it as is? I'm inclinded to think morning news is more > important then > > evening news given the choice. I hate having the choice, and > maybe I don't > > have the choice, but would like opinions in any event. 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