Catherine
No - I did not think your posting was a hoax. My response was whimsical
(perhaps to lighten the mood a little on this listserv at the moment...
the website I recommended - which I parenthesised - is a real spoof
website that is quite funny).
But I do think there is a serious point here as well (which lies behind
the spoof website too) as to whether carbon offsetting is an effective
response to global warming.
To quote wikipedia which highlights the views of a fellow Oxford
resident - George Monbiot:
"Many environmentalists disagree with the principle of carbon offsets.
George Monbiot </wiki/George_Monbiot>, an English environmentalist and
writer, has compared carbon offsets to the practice of purchasing
Indulgences </wiki/Indulgence> during the Middle Ages, whereby people
with money could purchase forgiveness for their sins (instead of
actually repenting and not sinning anymore). Monbiot also says that
carbon offsets are an excuse for business as usual with regards to
pollution.^[15] <#_note-7> To date, no authoritative studies have been
performed concerning offset buyers' behavior (e.g., whether they take
other measures to reduce their CO_2 output.)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_offset
I do have some sympathies with his point of view. And I do appreciate
your commitment to using trains. This is a complex area of ethics and I
am still working out my own standards.
Hope this helps and keeps the space open..
Regards
Jon
Catherine Pfaehler wrote:
Jon, my posting was serious. Did you check out the website of
www.myclimate.org, or did you just think it was a hoax?
I'm using it regularly when I fly (which I avoid whenever I can take a train
around Europe), and so is our company for its car. I have followed this
initiative from its beginning. It's now 5 years old and has become a serious
and ethical business.
Regards - Catherine
Catherine Pfaehler Senn
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Open Space Begleitung
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jon Harvey [mailto:[email protected]]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2007 23:34
An: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: climate-neutral flights and drives!
Hi all
I would also 'recommend' a website called:
www.cheatneutral.com
...where people who are committing adultery can have their behaviour
offset by someone else who is committed to a single life or fidelity...
I have also resolved to drink only flat beers from now on - as I think
that gassy beer can only be adding to greenhouse gases...
Happy space to everyone!
Jon
Oxford
Catherine Pfaehler wrote:
Harrison and everybody - wishing you well...
Did you know that on www.myclimate.org you can buy climate tickets along
with your airline tickets to CO2-neutralize your flights, and even your
car
drives? A great initiative by swiss students which is doing a wonderful
job
in investing the money they make in neutralizing projects! You enter your
points of departure and arrival and the system calculates how many tons of
CO2 you emit by sitting in that plane. Then it tells you how much a
climate
ticket costs. You buy it with your credit card. Absolutely affordable!
Love, Catherine
Catherine Pfaehler Senn
lic.oec.HSG
Open Space Begleitung
Kellersriedweg 8
CH - 2503 Biel
+41-(0)32 - 365 68 41
[email protected]
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Harrison Owen [mailto:[email protected]]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2007 01:50
Betreff: For My Friends in Kiev
Just so you know - I think what you are doing is wonderful, and I hope
that
everybody who can - will come. For myself - I would be there except for a
Sciatic Nerve that reminds me that I am not as young as I used to be, and
further -- that multiple hours on planes is not a good thing at this
point.
I was amazed (depressed) to find that on United Airlines alone I had
clocked
¾ of a million miles. Just think of the tons of CO2 (greenhouse gas) I
have
contributed!!! Anyhow, I have to stick closer to home at the moment, and I
know you will have a grand time!
Harrison
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