On May 31, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Deborah Hartmann wrote:
Interesting. Kaliya, I think you've just articulated the problem I
have with the way many BarCamps are run.
Yep.
Eventually, they could hit on a safe, welcoming way to run them...
then again, with revolving leadership and volunteer effort, they
may not.
I am hoping that WhereCamp this weekend goes well. My friend Andy and
his network collegue Ryan Shaw are the co-leaders. Ryan has been to
a few MashupCamps that I have facilitated using OST and Andy was at a
bit of RCC.
I had offered to facilitate but got a paying gig on the east coast.
Two nights ago I sat down with them and went over what they needed to
know as facilitators and holders of the space.
I am quite optimistic that the two of them can actually use OST to
run a "camp."
For example, the guys in the TorCamp community are puzzling over
why the women don't show up and when they do, they seldom initiate
a session... this last time, after two women had specifically
invited many other women to attend, there were only a handful, and
I was still the only one to lead a session. When the women talk
among themselves (ourselves) about what's going on, the term
"pissing contest" has come up a couple of times, followed by "we're
not interested".
Yes. Alpha Male geek behavior. I "live" next door to this culture.
It is driving a lot of the 'innovation' happening in Web 2.0 but it
is a not fully functional or diverse. It has limited ability to 'see'
women.... this is let alone other 'diverse' groups. The worst part
is the VC's are even more...sort of the old boys club the Harvard and
Stanford business school network types they decide the future by who
out of all those alpha male geeks get money to build out their ideas
to big time.
TorCamp seems to have become a group run by male geeks for male
geeks... and it's working fine. For the male geeks. They perceive
the lack of balance, but so far don't seem to believe that
invitation and facilitation could make a difference.
Right. Cause their world works for them.
If they want the kind of diversity that made TorCamp so exciting at
the start, the application of a few time-proven patterns could
perhaps help :-)
Yes.
I'm puzzling over how to introduce these... because it's being
organized by a clique, it's hard to have influence on the planning.
Well...you could just volunteer to facilitate - what do they say to
that?
I can be patient for a while yet, lol, and meanwhile, I'll do OST
as close to home as I can and hope someone notices :-)
Yes.
deb
Kaliya Hamlin wrote:
It is nice you all want to be so 'free form' about things and
'believe' that humans just 'self-organize'.
My experience has taught me that leaning to far in this direction
actually creates a lot of dissonance for people and leads to
spaces with negative energy.
Having a person or better a group of people taking responsiblity
for holding the space creating a nest if you will... within which
people feel safe to 'open up' and explore with each other
possibilities.... out of this space this nest is born new action
and activity.
At this time on our planet we need to be as intentional and
catalytic as possible in creating space for new possibilities of
our civilization to emerge....being passive and hoping that people
conditioned the way they are in our current culture will some how
'magically' 'awake' and 'self-organize' is to me hopelessly naive.
Diffusing the simple tools and 'rules' or principles and
practices is one of the things that could make the most
difference at this time on our planet.
My experience is that professional communities (that is people
coming together to use this methodology in peer-to-peer
professional network (outside 'AN' organization) settings) seeking
to take action together learn the way OST works and take to
it....it becomes the new norm -the shared way of doing things
together that they work on. It lets all the passion talent and
energy come forward and the people who are interested find each
other because there is enough structure ... just enough that it is
functional and effective for them to spend their time in the space
together. THIS IS important. I somethings think people
undervalue peoples time and energy by all this 'it just happens'
talk....well if you help it happen and you follow some simple
steps it is like 10x better. THAT MATTERS for the state of the
world and to respect peoples time and energy for showing up.
On May 30, 2007, at 4:19 PM, openspacekorea wrote:
great! i agree with your point 100%.
thank u...
Love and Peace,
park
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*Subject:* "rules" and self-organization
One way to test what is essential (what Artur termed "micro") and
what is not would be to open some space without mentioning either
the four principles or the law of two feet. Or anything else.
If self-organization occurs in os, would not the "space" still
"open" without things we have come to believe are essential? I'm
betting it would, or at least could. Perhaps all we need is a
room and a theme and a wall. Maybe some tea and coffee. How
free are we?
Picture it. You're invited, so you show up because the theme
interests you or you know the inviter. You get there, see the
theme statement on the wall, and nothing but a circle of chairs.
Nothing. Not even a facilitator. Others arrive. The only
things you share at this point are your presence and your
presumed interest in the theme.
If self-organization is real, is not the space already open? It
may take longer, but might relevant, useful conversations begin?
I think the facilitator meets our need for an authority figure (a
perfectly natural, good thing, most of the time), and the ideas
about feet, insects, etc. a minimal unifying structure (think of
it perhaps as curbs to a boulevard?) that steer us into an
opening, a place we have agreed, by showing up, we want to be.
OS in action /resembles/ self-organization, but it isn't the pure
thing. (Not that it really matters. I love it simply because
it’s the best way I know to show people what evolution on Earth
is really like. And it produces great results for my clients.)
One more rumpled notion occurs this morning... What about the
storytelling role, the thing we do as facilitators to connect
people entering an open space to a greater whole? I know this is
important, but is not the facilitator simply reminding people of
a story they already know, deep down? If self-organization/
evolution is real, it’s been working far longer than humans have
even been around. Might we not trust this process? How far can
we go?
Ralph Copleman
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