i respect your points... i read your view and passed by and now visiting your view in a hope that adding mine might help enriching our perspective as os practitioners...
i'd love to use ost ONLY because it can lead us (humanity) to a sustanable peace, lessening innocent suffering of my neighbor human being... beyond the 4 principles and 1 law, if it can be said that "totally present and totally invisible"...might only be practiced by squelching all ego talks that happens inside... cause any manifestation of ego (presence with an intent) invites anagonistic response internally or externally... so, not to respond terrors with terrors (including at the level of intent), it might be more effective FOR US to belive that there BE CONSTANT PRACTICING OF PEACE (NON-VIOLENCE AT THE LEVEL OF INTENT) at the deepest center of an os practitioner... Love & Peace, park ________________________________ From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kaliya Hamlin Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: "rules" and self-organization It is nice you all want to be so 'free form' about things and 'believe' that humans just 'self-organize'.  My experience has taught me that leaning to far in this direction actually creates a lot of dissonance for people and leads to spaces with negative energy. Having a person or better a group of people taking responsiblity for holding the space creating a nest if you will... within which people feel safe to 'open up' and explore with each other possibilities.... out of this space this nest is born new action and activity. At this time on our planet we need to be as intentional and catalytic as possible in creating space for new possibilities of our civilization to emerge....being passive and hoping that people conditioned the way they are in our current culture will some how 'magically' 'awake' and 'self-organize' is to me hopelessly naive. Diffusing the simple tools and 'rules' or principles and practices is one of the things that could make the most difference at this time on our planet. My experience is that professional communities (that is people coming together to use this methodology in peer-to-peer professional network (outside 'AN' organization) settings) seeking to take action together learn the way OST works and take to it....it becomes the new norm -the shared way of doing things together that they work on. It lets all the passion talent and energy come forward and the people who are interested find each other because there is enough structure ... just enough that it is functional and effective for them to spend their time in the space together.  THIS IS important. I somethings think people undervalue peoples time and energy by all this 'it just happens' talk....well if you help it happen and you follow some simple steps it is like 10x better. THAT MATTERS for the state of the world and to respect peoples time and energy for showing up.  On May 30, 2007, at 4:19 PM, openspacekorea wrote: great! i agree with your point 100%.  thank u...  Love and Peace,  park ________________________________ From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ralph Copleman Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: "rules" and self-organization One way to test what is essential (what Artur termed "micro") and what is not would be to open some space without mentioning either the four principles or the law of two feet.  Or anything else. If self-organization occurs in os, would not the "space" still "open" without things we have come to believe are essential?  I'm betting it would, or at least could.  Perhaps all we need is a room and a theme and a wall.  Maybe some tea and coffee.  How free are we?  Picture it.  You're invited, so you show up because the theme interests you or you know the inviter.  You get there, see the theme statement on the wall, and nothing but a circle of chairs.  Nothing.  Not even a facilitator.  Others arrive.  The only things you share at this point are your presence and your presumed interest in the theme. If self-organization is real, is not the space already open?  It may take longer, but might relevant, useful conversations begin? I think the facilitator meets our need for an authority figure (a perfectly natural, good thing, most of the time), and the ideas about feet, insects, etc. a minimal unifying structure (think of it perhaps as curbs to a boulevard?) that steer us into an opening, a place we have agreed, by showing up, we want to be.  OS in action resembles self-organization, but it isn't the pure thing.  (Not that it really matters.  I love it simply because it’s the best way I know to show people what evolution on Earth is really like.  And it produces great results for my clients.) One more rumpled notion occurs this morning...  What about the storytelling role, the thing we do as facilitators to connect people entering an open space to a greater whole?  I know this is important, but is not the facilitator simply reminding people of a story they already know, deep down?  If self-organization/evolution is real, it’s been working far longer than humans have even  been around.  Might we not trust this process?  How far can we go? 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