Embracing Invitation (was Digest - 24 May 2009 to 25 May 2009 (#2009-133)

[Brendan McKeague]

Bhav - so the perceived 'key technician' didn't 
show up...I wonder what would have happened?

Would Boeing have ended up building a door with 
different hinges, in different colours, with left-handed handles?

and would another even more marvellous 'key 
technician' emerge from the woodwork?

and would the mob have found another way of 
including the 'key technician' after the OS 
meeting? (or even from his/her holiday location?)

and maybe the sky would have fallen in....and the Boeing with it????

Whatever happened was the only thing that did!

When I try to hypothesise what 'might have 
happened' - it gets rather convoluted.
We usually only see who the real 'key players' 
are/were after the event - and where their 
energy/responsibility emerges and grows into something new...

And anyway, even if mandated to be there by the 
Boss, everyone can use the Law and 'go on hoiliday' whenever they like

Cheers
Brendan

At 09:12 AM 27/05/2009, you wrote:
Dear Harrison and friends,

My Boss raised an interesting question and I 
would love to hear your experience on this issue.

He cited the Boeing doors example and then 
challenged the idea of INVITATION. He said in a 
business organisation, some key people just have 
to be there, they can't have a choice about coming.

So I explained to him that in the Pre-OST stage, 
there is a lot of work done with the Sponsor 
group looking at questions like that, however 
ultimately people must individually choose to be there or not.

So then he said well what if in the Boeing 
example, one of the key technicians, essential 
for the whole process, decided not to turn up 
because he had booked a holiday and just didn't want to miss it.

This does raise an interesting question about 
whether people can really be free to choose.

PLEASE PLEASE share your experiences with me 
because having facilitated a number of OSTs, I 
am convinced about how it works, and the also 
the deeper aspects that emerge from it.

Thanks Bhav...



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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:29:13 +1000 From: 
Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: anti laws Ah yes, I 
never cease to marvel at the opportunities we 
have to "live vicariously through others". :) 
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Subject: [OSLIST] anti laws andrew and all, i've 
sometimes pondered the "Low of too feat": Others 
take responsibility for what *I* love as an act 
of service or If I'm neither learning nor 
contributing everyone else should leave ... and 
by extension-- bumblebees are those who go and 
sting others in as many groups as possible. and 
butterflies? yes, it does jangle the senses a 
little bit...but perhaps something to bee 
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2009 14:43:33 +0100 From: Derrick Mathews 
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST 
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andrew I am 
unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to 
the principles. First of all the process is 
based on "SELF" (the most important concept 
here)-organisation which involved participation 
or non-participation which involves human 
choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach 
(Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, 
the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, 
am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) 
your choice to let things happen is an 
intervention and so you have influenced the 
process making what happens the only thing that 
could have. If you do not turn up then you have 
had an influence of non-influence on the process 
and outcome so you have been involved and have 
been part of the right people. What ever happens 
is the only thing as if you are "involved" your 
involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, 
likewise if you are "involved" via 
no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a 
different way and as I stated above what then 
happens is the only thing that could have. 
Likewise when it starts is because someone made 
a choice to start it and you are "involved" or 
"not" which still has impact and similarly it's 
over because there is a choice made that it is 
over via group consensus or an individual's 
choice that for them it is over. Everything is 
in some way linked and interdependent and what 
we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect 
all around us. We just need to always endeavour 
to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this 
adds to the confusion. 
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------------------------------------------- And 
on another thread, where are the most unusual 
places that folks know OST has happened? I 
recently had the pleasure of opening space for a 
great group of young people (that's anyone 
younger than me) from about 9 different parts of 
Europe who had come together In Londonderry to 
be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to 
Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One 
participant selected the swimming pool as an 
additional breakout space and it was one of the 
best attended sessions with the details of the 
conversation recorded at the side of the pool by 
anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth 
unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is 
the right place/only place it could have 
happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our 
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On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 
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Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently 
I've been pondering / wondering about what might 
be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What 
isn't happening are all the things that should 
be" Or "What didn't happen are all the things 
that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever 
happens is the only thing that could have or 
did" What are your thoughts on other 
"complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, 
Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish 
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352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: 
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Hi Andrew

I am unsure if you can have anti laws with = regard to=20 the principles.

First of all the process is based on = "SELF"=20 
(the most important concept here)-organisation 
which involved = participation or=20 
non-participation which involves human 
choice.  Even if you adopt a = Doris=20 Day 
approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, 
will be, the future's = not ours=20 to see, que 
serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing 
this song lol) = your=20 choice to let things 
happen is an intervention and so you have = 
influenced the=20 process making what happens 
the only thing that could=20 have.

If you do not turn up then you have = had an=20 
influence  of non-influence on the process and 
outcome so you have = been=20 involved and have 
been part of the right = people.

What ever happens is the only thing = as if 
you=20 are "involved" your involvement changes 
the dynamic and outcome, = likewise if you=20 
are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the 
dynamic in a different = way and=20 as I stated 
above what then happens is the only thing that could=20 have.

Likewise when it starts is because = someone 
made=20 a choice to start it and you are 
"involved" or "not" which still has = impact 
and=20 similarly it's over because there is a 
choice made that it is over via = group=20 
consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is=20 over.

Everything is in some way linked and=20 
interdependent and what we choose to do or not 
do, ripples out to affect = all=20 around us.

We just need to always endeavour to = impact in a=20 positive way.

Anyhoo, hope this adds to the=20 confusion.

      =20 
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And on another thread, where are the = most=20 
unusual places that folks know OST has=20 happened?

I recently had the pleasure of = opening 
space=20 for a great group of young people 
(that's anyone younger than me) = from =20 about 
9 different parts of Europe who had come 
together In Londonderry = to be=20 involved in 
an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which 
also = involved a 1=20 day OS.

One participant selected the swimming = pool 
as=20 an additional breakout space and it was 
one of the best attended = sessions with=20 the 
details of the conversation recorded at the side 
of the pool by = anyone out=20 of the water.

Maybe the fifth unspoken principle=20 is;
Where ever it happens is the right = 
place/only=20 place it could have happened


Regards

Derrick




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Subject: Anti Laws of=20 OST
Dear=20 All,

Recently I’ve been = pondering /=20 wondering 
about what might be the Anti-laws of = OST.

For=20 instance.

“What isn’t = happening are all the=20 things that should be”

Or

“What didn’t = happen are all the=20 things that should have”

As opposed=20 to…

“Whatever happens is = the only thing=20 that could have or did”

What are your thoughts on = other=20 “complimentary” anti-laws? J

Warm=20 regards,
Andrew

--
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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 
2009 14:58:49 -0400 From: Harrison Owen Subject: 
Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part 
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to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 
principles and one = law are neither laws nor 
principles actually. To be honest they are just 
my = (and others') observations of what seemed 
to be happening in any case. In a = word they 
are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You 
could say it is all = a joke. Rather like 
"technology" in the phrase Open Space 
Technology. The joke, however turned out to be 
outrageously funny - because somehow or another 
truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! 
Everybody knows = that what happens in Open 
Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does 
- = and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of 
other stuff - like most of what = we think we 
know about meetings, the management of meetings, 
and management itself. Double trouble!! =20 
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Behalf Of = Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 
25, 2009 9:44 AM To: 
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Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST =20 Hi Andrew =20 
I am unsure if you can have anti laws with 
regard to the principles. =20 First of all the 
process is based on "SELF" (the most important 
concept here)-organisation which involved 
participation or non-participation = which 
involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris 
Day approach (Que = Serra, Serra, whatever will 
be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que = 
serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing 
this song lol) your choice to let things happen 
is an intervention and so you have influenced 
the process making what happens the only thing 
that could have. =20 If you do not turn up then 
you have had an influence of non-influence = on 
the process and outcome so you have been 
involved and have been part of = the right 
people. =20 What ever happens is the only thing 
as if you are "involved" your involvement 
changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you 
are = "involved" via no-involvement you affect 
the dynamic in a different way and as I = stated 
above what then happens is the only thing that 
could have. =20 Likewise when it starts is 
because someone made a choice to start it and = 
you are "involved" or "not" which still has 
impact and similarly it's over because there is 
a choice made that it is over via group 
consensus or an individual's choice that for 
them it is over. =20 Everything is in some way 
linked and interdependent and what we choose = 
to do or not do, ripples out to affect all 
around us. =20 We just need to always endeavour 
to impact in a positive way. =20 Anyhoo, hope 
this adds to the confusion. =20 =20 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------= 
--- ------------------------------------------- 
And on another thread, where are the most 
unusual places that folks know = OST has 
happened? =20 I recently had the pleasure of 
opening space for a great group of young people 
(that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 
different parts of Europe who had come together 
In Londonderry to be involved in an = Up-cycling 
project of Trash to Treasure which also involved 
a 1 day OS. =20 =20 One participant selected the 
swimming pool as an additional breakout = space 
and it was one of the best attended sessions 
with the details of the conversation recorded at 
the side of the pool by anyone out of the = 
water. =20 Maybe the fifth unspoken principle 
is; Where ever it happens is the right 
place/only place it could have = happened =20 
=20 Regards =20 Derrick =20 =20 =20 Why not 
check out our website to view our services . 
<http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk>www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk 
=20 =20 "Let the choices you make today, be the 
choices you can live with = tomorrow." Soon to 
be 2Wolves =20 Derrick Mathews Associates 
Consulting=20 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down 
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(0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 
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derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook 
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=20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: OSLIST 
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On 
Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 
To: 
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Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, =20 Recently 
I've been pondering / wondering about what might 
be the = Anti-laws of OST. =20 For instance. =20 
"What isn't happening are all the things that 
should be" =20 Or =20 "What didn't happen are 
all the things that should have" =20 As opposed 
to. =20 "Whatever happens is the only thing that 
could have or did" =20 What are your thoughts on 
other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) =20 Warm 
regards, Andrew =20 -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director 
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon 
Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162=20 
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Just to render the whole thing = non-sensical, 
the 4 principles and one law are neither laws 
nor principles actually. = To be honest they are 
just my (and others’) observations of what 
seemed = to be happening in any case. In a word 
they are descriptive as opposed to = descriptive 
– You could say it is all a joke. Rather like = 
“technology” in the phrase Open Space 
Technology. The joke, however turned out to be 
outrageously funny – because somehow or another 
truth broke = through. We are in serious 
trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in 
Open Space = simply can’t happen. Unfortunately 
it does – and that makes a joke = out of a whole 
mess of other stuff – like most of what we think 
we know = about meetings, the management of 
meetings, and management itself. Double = trouble!!

Harrison

Harrison = Owen
7808 River Falls = Drive
Potomac, Maryland   20854
Phone = 301-365-2093
Skype = hhowen
Open Space = Training www.openspaceworld.com
Open Space = Institute www.openspaceworld.org
Personal = website www.ho-image.com =
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From: OSLIST 
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
To: = <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST

Hi Andrew

I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the = principles.

First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the 
most important concept here)-organisation which 
involved participation or non-participation = 
which involves human choice.  Even if you adopt 
a Doris Day approach (Que = Serra, Serra, 
whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours 
to see, que = serra, serra, am I giving my age 
away knowing this song lol) your choice to let = 
things happen is an intervention and so you have 
influenced the process making = what happens the only thing that could have.

If you do not turn up then you have had an 
influence  of non-influence on = the process and 
outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the = right people.

What ever happens is the only thing as if you 
are "involved" your involvement changes the 
dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are 
"involved" via no-involvement you affect the 
dynamic in a = different way and as I stated 
above what then happens is the only thing that could = have.

Likewise when it starts is because someone made 
a choice to start it and you are "involved" or 
"not" which still has impact and = similarly 
it's over because there is a choice made that it 
is over via group = consensus or an individual's 
choice that for them it is = over.

Everything is in some way linked and 
interdependent and what we choose to do or not = 
do, ripples out to affect all around us.

We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive = way.

Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.

   = 
; 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------= 
----------------------------------------------=
And on another thread, where are the most 
unusual places that folks know = OST has happened?

I recently had the pleasure of opening space for 
a great group of young = people (that's anyone 
younger than me) from  about 9 different parts 
of = Europe who had come together In Londonderry 
to be involved in an Up-cycling = project of 
Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.  =

One participant selected the swimming pool as an 
additional breakout space = and it was one of 
the best attended sessions with the details of 
the = conversation recorded at the side of the 
pool by anyone out of the = water.

Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have = happened


Regards

Derrick



Why not check out our website to view our = 
services .  www.DerrickMathewsCon= sulting.co.uk

"Let the choices you make today, be the choices 
you can live with = tomorrow."
Soon to be = 2Wolves
[]


Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting
22 = Bridge Street
Kilkeel
Co. = Down
BT34 = 4AD
Tel:    =   + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
Fax:    = + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 = 090
E-Mail: 
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www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
Skype: = derrick.mathews
You can also find me on = Facebook

Facilitation = |  Mentoring | Coaching | Training
    &nbs= p;  Open Space Technology Facilitation

Helping Organisations to = Chart their Course




From: OSLIST 
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
To: = <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
Dear All,

Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering about 
what might be the Anti-laws of OST.

For = instance.

“What isn’t = happening are all the things that should be”

Or

“What didn’t = happen are all the things that should have”

As opposed = to…

“Whatever happens is = the only thing that could have or did”

What are your thoughts on = other “complimentary” anti-laws? J

Warm = regards,
Andrew

--
Andrew Rixon PhD
Director
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
Skype: AndrewJRixon
Mobile: 0400 352 809
Fax: (03) 8610 0162
Email: and...@babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not 
to miss our national = conference October 8 and 
9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching 
change = one story at a time". Download the 
interactive brochure 
<3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.


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2009 09:23:50 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: 
Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Harrison. 
I must confess that my interest really isn't in 
whether the 4 principles are principles or laws. 
Having recently read Phil Zimbardo's time 
paradox I couldn't but help to see how all 4 
"principles" seem to relate to time. One of 
Zimbardo's interesting writings is around how we 
(often without knowing it) carry around with us 
a time perspective. The time perspectives he 
talks about are: 1.Future (The well known 
westerner approach to planning and all things 
about the future) 2.Present Hedonistic (Make the 
most of now) 3.Present Fatalistic (It's going to 
happen anyway) 4.Past Positive (Gratitude) 
5.Past Negative (Woe to me) Which time 
perspective would you choose to help you be most 
"healthy" ? Zimbardo's answer is we (especially 
in the west) need to be Highly Past Positive. 
You can even do your own assessment of what time 
zone you're living in here: 
<http://www.thetimeparadox.com/>http://www.thetimeparadox.com/ 
Know any jokes about time? :-) Warm regards, 
Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish 
Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 
352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: 
<mailto:and...@babelfishgroup.com>and...@babelfishgroup.com 
URL: 
<http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ 
Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not 
to miss our national conference October 8 and 
9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching 
change one story at a time". Download the 
interactive brochure here . _____ From: OSLIST 
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On 
Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 
2009 4:59 AM To: 
<mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu 
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST Just to 
render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 
principles and one law are neither laws nor 
principles actually. To be honest they are just 
my (and others') observations of what seemed to 
be happening in any case. In a word they are 
descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You 
could say it is all a joke. Rather like 
"technology" in the phrase Open Space 
Technology. The joke, however turned out to be 
outrageously funny - because somehow or another 
truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! 
Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space 
simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does - and 
that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other 
stuff - like most of what we think we know about 
meetings, the management of meetings, and 
management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison 
Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, 
Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen 
Open Space Training 
<http://www.openspaceworld.com>www.openspaceworld.com 
Open Space Institute 
<http://www.openspaceworld.org>www.openspaceworld.org 
Personal website 
<http://www.ho-image.com>www.ho-image.com 
OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your 
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-----Original Message----- From: OSLIST 
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On 
Behalf Of Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 
2009 9:44 AM To: 
<mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu 
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST Hi Andrew I am 
unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to 
the principles. First of all the process is 
based on "SELF" (the most important concept 
here)-organisation which involved participation 
or non-participation which involves human 
choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach 
(Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, 
the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, 
am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) 
your choice to let things happen is an 
intervention and so you have influenced the 
process making what happens the only thing that 
could have. If you do not turn up then you have 
had an influence of non-influence on the process 
and outcome so you have been involved and have 
been part of the right people. What ever happens 
is the only thing as if you are "involved" your 
involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, 
likewise if you are "involved" via 
no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a 
different way and as I stated above what then 
happens is the only thing that could have. 
Likewise when it starts is because someone made 
a choice to start it and you are "involved" or 
"not" which still has impact and similarly it's 
over because there is a choice made that it is 
over via group consensus or an individual's 
choice that for them it is over. Everything is 
in some way linked and interdependent and what 
we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect 
all around us. We just need to always endeavour 
to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this 
adds to the confusion. 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
------------------------------------------- And 
on another thread, where are the most unusual 
places that folks know OST has happened? I 
recently had the pleasure of opening space for a 
great group of young people (that's anyone 
younger than me) from about 9 different parts of 
Europe who had come together In Londonderry to 
be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to 
Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One 
participant selected the swimming pool as an 
additional breakout space and it was one of the 
best attended sessions with the details of the 
conversation recorded at the side of the pool by 
anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth 
unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is 
the right place/only place it could have 
happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our 
website to view our services . 
<http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk>www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk 
"Let the choices you make today, be the choices 
you can live with tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves 
Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting 22 Bridge 
Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 
560 266 2591 Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: 
+ 44 (0) 7870 136 090 E-Mail: 
<mailto:derr...@derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk>derr...@derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk 
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derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook 
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Organisations to Chart their Course _____ From: 
OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] 
On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 
02:10 To: 
<mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu 
Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently 
I've been pondering / wondering about what might 
be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What 
isn't happening are all the things that should 
be" Or "What didn't happen are all the things 
that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever 
happens is the only thing that could have or 
did" What are your thoughts on other 
"complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, 
Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish 
Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 
352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: 
<mailto:and...@babelfishgroup.com>and...@babelfishgroup.com 
URL: 
<http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ 
Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not 
to miss our national conference October 8 and 
9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching 
change one story at a time". Download the 
interactive brochure here . * * 
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Thanks Harrison.

I must confess that my interest = really isn’t 
in whether the 4 principles are principles or = laws.

Having recently read Phil = Zimbardo’s time 
paradox I couldn’t but help to see how all 4 = 
“principles” seem to relate to time.

One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around 
how we (often without knowing it) carry around 
with = us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are:
Future (The well known westerner approach to 
planning and all things about = the future)
Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
Present Fatalistic (It’s going to happen = anyway)
Past Positive (Gratitude)
Past Negative (Woe to me)

Which time perspective would you = choose to help you be most “healthy” ?

Zimbardo’s answer is we = (especially in the 
west) need to be Highly Past = Positive.

You can even do your own assessment = of what time zone you’re living in here:

http://www.thetimeparadox.com/

Know any jokes about time? = J

Warm = regards,
Andrew

--
Andrew Rixon PhD
Director
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
Skype: AndrewJRixon
Mobile: 0400 352 809
Fax: (03) 8610 0162
Email: and...@babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not 
to miss our national = conference October 8 and 
9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching 
change = one story at a time". Download the 
interactive brochure 
<3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.

=
From: = OSLIST 
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Harrison = Owen
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 4:59 AM
To: <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST

Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 
4 principles and one law are neither laws nor = 
principles actually. To be honest they are just 
my (and others’) observations = of what seemed 
to be happening in any case. In a word they are 
descriptive = as opposed to descriptive – You 
could say it is all a joke. Rather = like 
“technology” in the phrase Open Space 
Technology. The joke, = however turned out to be 
outrageously funny – because somehow or another 
= truth broke through. We are in serious 
trouble! Everybody knows that what = happens in 
Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it 
does – and = that makes a joke out of a whole 
mess of other stuff – like most of = what we 
think we know about meetings, the management of 
meetings, and management = itself. Double trouble!!

Harrison

Harrison = Owen
7808 River Falls = Drive
Potomac, Maryland   20854

Phone = 301-365-2093
Skype = hhowen
Open Space = Training www.openspaceworld.com
Open Space = Institute www.openspaceworld.org
Personal = website www.ho-image.com =
OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, = change your 
options, view the archives Visit: 
www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.h= tml

-----Original = Message-----
From: OSLIST 
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Derrick = Mathews
Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
To: <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST

Hi Andrew

I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.

First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the 
= most important concept here)-organisation 
which involved participation or = 
non-participation which involves human 
choice.  Even if you adopt a Doris Day = 
approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, 
will be, the future's not ours to see, = que 
serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing 
this song lol) your choice = to let things 
happen is an intervention and so you have 
influenced the process = making what happens the only thing that could = have.

If you do not turn up then you have had an 
influence  = of non-influence on the process and 
outcome so you have been involved and = have been part of the right people.

What ever happens is the only thing as if you 
are "involved" your involvement changes the 
dynamic and outcome, = likewise if you are 
"involved" via no-involvement you affect the = 
dynamic in a different way and as I stated above 
what then happens is the only thing = that could have.

Likewise when it starts is because someone made 
a choice to = start it and you are "involved" or 
"not" which still has = impact and similarly 
it's over because there is a choice made that it 
is over = via group consensus or an individual's 
choice that for them it is = over.

Everything is in some way linked and 
interdependent and what = we choose to do or not 
do, ripples out to affect all around = us.

We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive = way.

Anyhoo, hope this adds to the = confusion.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------= 
----------------------------------------------=
And on another thread, where are the most 
unusual = places that folks know OST has happened?

I recently had the pleasure of opening space for 
a great = group of young people (that's anyone 
younger than me) from  about 9 = different parts 
of Europe who had come together In Londonderry 
to be involved in an = Up-cycling project of 
Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.  =

One participant selected the swimming pool as an 
additional breakout space and it was one of the 
best attended sessions with the = details of the 
conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the = water.

Maybe the fifth unspoken principle = is;
Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could = have happened


Regards

Derrick



Why not check out our website to view our 
services .  www.DerrickMathewsCon= sulting.co.uk

"Let the choices you make today, be the choices 
you can live with = tomorrow."
Soon to be = 2Wolves
= =

Derrick = Mathews Associates Consulting
22 Bridge = Street

Kilkeel
Co. = Down
BT34 = 4AD
Tel:    =   + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
Fax:    = + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090
E-Mail: = 
<3D%22mailto:derr...@derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk%22>derrick@derrickmat= 
hewsconsulting.co.uk
www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
Skype: derrick.mathews
You can = also find me on Facebook

Facilitation |  Mentoring | Coaching | = Training
    &nbs= p;  Open Space Technology = Facilitation

Helping Organisations to Chart their = Course




From: OSLIST 
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew = Rixon
Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
To: <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
Dear = All,

Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering about 
what might be the Anti-laws of = OST.

For = instance.

“What isn’t = happening are all the things that should be”

Or<= /p>

“What didn’t = happen are all the things that should have”

As opposed = to…

“Whatever happens is = the only thing that could have or did”

What are your thoughts on = other “complimentary” anti-laws? J

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Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST 
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On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Andrew = Rixon 
<<3D%22mailto:and...@babelfishgroup.com%22>an= d...@babelfishgroup.com> wrote:

Know any jokes about time= ? J
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------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 
2009 09:26:25 +0800 From: Brendan McKeague 
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST 
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quoted-printable for those living in the future 
it is wise to remember that... in two days time, 
tomorrow will be yesterday :-) At 07:23 AM 
26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote: >Thanks 
Harrison. > >I must confess that my interest 
really isn=92t in=20 >whether the 4 principles 
are principles or laws. > >Having recently read 
Phil Zimbardo=92s time=20 >paradox I couldn=92t 
but help to see how all 4=20 >=93principles=94 
seem to relate to time. > >One of Zimbardo=92s 
interesting writings is around=20 >how we (often 
without knowing it) carry around=20 >with us a 
time perspective. The time perspectives he talks 
about are: > > * Future (The well known 
westerner approach=20 > to planning and all 
things about the future) > * Present Hedonistic 
(Make the most of now) > * Present Fatalistic 
(It=92s going to happen anyway) > * Past 
Positive (Gratitude) > * Past Negative (Woe to 
me) > >Which time perspective would you choose 
to help you be most =93healthy=94 
? > >Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in 
the west)=20 >need to be Highly Past 
Positive. > >You can even do your own assessment 
of what time zone you=92re living in= 
here: > ><http://www.thetimeparadox.com/>http://w 
ww.thetimeparadox.com/ > >Know any jokes about 
time? J > >Warm regards, >Andrew > >-- >Andrew 
Rixon PhD >Director >Babel Fish Group Pty 
Ltd >Skype: AndrewJRixon >Mobile: 0400 352 
809 >Fax: (03) 8610 0162 >Email: 
<mailto:and...@babelfishgroup.com>and...@babelfishgroup.com  
>URL: 
<http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/  
> >Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure 
not=20 >to miss our national conference October 
8 and=20 >9th titled: "Celebrating Story: 
Approaching=20 >change one story at a time". 
Download the=20 >interactive 
brochure=20 >here. > > >---------- >From: 
OSLIST=20 >[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu 
] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen >Sent: Tuesday, 26 
May 2009 4:59 AM >To: 
<mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu  
>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST > >Just 
to render the whole thing non-sensical, 
the=20 >4 principles and one law are neither 
laws nor=20 >principles actually. To be honest 
they are just=20 >my (and others=92) 
observations of what seemed to=20 >be happening 
in any case. In a word they are=20 >descriptive 
as opposed to descriptive =96 You=20 >could say 
it is all a joke. Rather 
like=20 >=93technology=94 in the phrase Open 
Space=20 >Technology. The joke, however turned 
out to be=20 >outrageously funny =96 because 
somehow or another=20 >truth broke through. We 
are in serious trouble!=20 >Everybody knows that 
what happens in Open Space=20 >simply can=92t 
happen. Unfortunately it does =96 and=20 >that 
makes a joke out of a whole mess of 
other=20 >stuff =96 like most of what we think 
we know about=20 >meetings, the management of 
meetings, and management itself. Double= 
trouble!! > >Harrison > > >Harrison Owen > >7808 
River Falls Drive > >Potomac, Maryland 
20854 > >Phone 301-365-2093 > >Skype 
hhowen > >Open Space Training 
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OSLIST=20 >[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu 
] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews >Sent: Monday, 
May 25, 2009 9:44 AM >To: 
<mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu  
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST > >Hi 
Andrew > >I am unsure if you can have anti laws 
with regard to the principles. > >First of all 
the process is based on "SELF" (the=20 >most 
important concept here)-organisation 
which=20 >involved participation or 
non-participation=20 >which involves human 
choice. Even if you adopt=20 >a Doris Day 
approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever=20 >will 
be, will be, the future's not ours to 
see,=20 >que serra, serra, am I giving my age 
away=20 >knowing this song lol) your choice to 
let things=20 >happen is an intervention and so 
you have=20 >influenced the process making what 
happens the only thing that could have. > >If 
you do not turn up then you have had 
an=20 >influence of non-influence on the process 
and=20 >outcome so you have been involved and 
have been part of the right people. > >What ever 
happens is the only thing as if you=20 >are 
"involved" your involvement changes 
the=20 >dynamic and outcome, likewise if you 
are=20 >"involved" via no-involvement you affect 
the=20 >dynamic in a different way and as I 
stated above=20 >what then happens is the only 
thing that could have. > >Likewise when it 
starts is because someone made=20 >a choice to 
start it and you are "involved" or=20 >"not" 
which still has impact and similarly 
it's=20 >over because there is a choice made 
that it is=20 >over via group consensus or an 
individual's choice that for them it is= 
over. > >Everything is in some way linked 
and=20 >interdependent and what we choose to do 
or not=20 >do, ripples out to affect all around 
us. > >We just need to always endeavour to 
impact in a positive way. > >Anyhoo, hope this 
adds to the 
confusion. > >=20 >------------------------------ 
---------------------------------------------= 
-------------------------------------------- >And 
 on another thread, where are the 
most=20 >unusual places that folks know OST has 
happened? > >I recently had the pleasure of 
opening space for=20 >a great group of young 
people (that's anyone=20 >younger than me) from 
about 9 different parts=20 >of Europe who had 
come together In Londonderry=20 >to be involved 
in an Up-cycling project of Trash=20 >to 
Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. > >One 
participant selected the swimming pool as 
an=20 >additional breakout space and it was one 
of the=20 >best attended sessions with the 
details of the=20 >conversation recorded at the 
side of the pool by anyone out of the 
water. > >Maybe the fifth unspoken principle 
is; >Where ever it happens is the right 
place/only place it could have 
happened > > >Regards > >Derrick > > > >Why not 
check out our website to view 
our=20 >services=20 >.=20 ><http://www.DerrickMat 
hewsConsulting.co>www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co= 
.uk > >"Let the choices you make today, be the 
choices you can live with= tomorrow." >Soon to 
be 2Wolves >[] > >Derrick Mathews Associates 
Consulting > >22 Bridge Street > >Kilkeel >Co. 
Down >BT34 4AD >Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591 >Fax: 
+ 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 >Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 
090 >E-Mail:=20 >derrick@derrickmathewsconsul= 
<http://ting.co.uk>ting.co.uk=20 > >www.DerrickMa 
thewsConsulting.co.uk >Skype: 
derrick.mathews >You can also find me on 
Facebook > >Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching 
| Training > Open Space Technology 
Facilitation > >Helping Organisations to Chart 
their Course > > > > > >From: OSLIST 
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On 
Behalf Of Andrew= Rixon >Sent: 24 May 2009 
02:10 >To: 
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>Subject: Anti Laws of OST >Dear 
All, > >Recently I=92ve been pondering / 
wondering about=20 >what might be the Anti-laws 
of OST. > >For instance. > >=93What isn=92t 
happening are all the things that should 
be=94 > >Or > >=93What didn=92t happen are all 
the things that should have=94 > >As opposed 
to=85 > >=93Whatever happens is the only thing 
that could have or did=94 > >What are your 
thoughts on other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws? 
J > >Warm regards, >Andrew > >-- >Andrew Rixon 
PhD >Director >Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd >Skype: 
AndrewJRixon >Mobile: 0400 352 809 >Fax: (03) 
8610 0162 >Email: 
<mailto:and...@babelfishgroup.com>and...@babelfishgroup.com  
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<http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/  
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not=20 >to miss our national conference October 
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those living in the future it is wise to remember that...
in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
:-)
At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:
Thanks Harrison.

I must confess that my interest really isn=92t 
in whether the 4 principles are principles or laws.

Having recently read Phil Zimbardo=92s time 
paradox I couldn=92t but help to see how all 4 
=93principles=94 seem to relate to time.

One of Zimbardo=92s interesting writings is 
around how we (often without knowing it) carry 
around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are:
Future (The well known westerner approach to 
planning and all things about the future)=20
Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)=20
Present Fatalistic (It=92s going to happen anyway)=20
Past Positive (Gratitude)=20
Past Negative (Woe to me)=20

Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most =93healthy=94 ?

Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in the 
west) need to be Highly Past Positive.

You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you=92re living in here:

<3D%22http://www.thetimeparadox.com/%22>http://www.thetimeparadox.com/

Know any jokes about time? J

Warm regards,
Andrew

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Director
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Skype: AndrewJRixon
Mobile: 0400 352 809
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Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not 
to miss our national conference October 8 and 
9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching 
change one story at a time". Download the 
interactive brochure 
<3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.

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From: OSLIST [ 
mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM
To: <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST

Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 
4 principles and one law are neither laws nor 
principles actually. To be honest they are just 
my (and others=92) observations of what seemed 
to be happening in any case. In a word they are 
descriptive as opposed to descriptive =96 You 
could say it is all a joke. Rather like 
=93technology=94 in the phrase Open Space 
Technology. The joke, however turned out to be 
outrageously funny =96 because somehow or 
another truth broke through. We are in serious 
trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in 
Open Space simply can=92t happen. Unfortunately 
it does =96 and that makes a joke out of a whole 
mess of other stuff =96 like most of what we 
think we know about meetings, the management of 
meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!!

Harrison

Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, Maryland   20854
Phone 301-365-2093
Skype hhowen
Open Space Training 
<3D%22http://www.openspaceworld.com/%22>www.openspaceworld.com

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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM
To: <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST

Hi Andrew

I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.

First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the 
most important concept here)-organisation which 
involved participation or non-participation 
which involves human choice.  Even if you adopt 
a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever 
will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, 
que serra, serra, am I giving my age away 
knowing this song lol) your choice to let things 
happen is an intervention and so you have 
influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have.

If you do not turn up then you have had an 
influence  of non-influence on the process and 
outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right people.

What ever happen= s is the only thing as if you 
are "involved" your involvement changes the 
dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are 
"involved" via no-involvement you affect the 
dynamic in a different way and as I stated above 
what then happens is the only thing that could have.

Likewise when it starts is because someone made 
a choice to start it and you are "involved" or 
"not" which still has impact and similarly it's 
over because there is a choice made that it is 
over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over.

Everything is in some way linked and 
interdependent and what we choose to do or not 
do, ripples out to affect all around us.

We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way.

Anyhoo, hope thi= s adds to the confusion.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------= 
-------------------------------------------
And on another thread, where are the most 
unusual places that folks know OST has happened?

I recently had the pleasure of opening space for 
a great group of young people (that's anyone 
younger than me) from  about 9 different parts 
of Europe who had come together In Londonderry 
to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash 
to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.

One participant selected the swimming pool as an 
additional breakout space and it was one of the 
best attended sessions with the details of the 
conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.

Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have happened


Regards

Derrick



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Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
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Subject: Anti Laws of OST
Dear All,

Recently I=92ve been pondering / wondering about 
what might be the Anti-laws of OST.

For instance.

=93What isn=92t happening are all the things that should be=94

Or

=93What didn=92t happen are all the things that should have=94

As opposed to=85

=93Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did=94

What are your thoughts on other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws? J

Warm regards,
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------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 
2009 11:51:33 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: 
Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep! Love that 
one. And I think the "Whatever didn't happen are 
all the things that should be" is pretty 
indicative of someone living in the future. Of 
course it couldn't possibly be me. :-) Warm 
regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director 
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon 
Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: 
<mailto:and...@babelfishgroup.com>and...@babelfishgroup.com 
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[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On 
Behalf Of Brendan McKeague Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 
2009 11:26 AM To: 
<mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu 
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST for those 
living in the future it is wise to remember 
that... in two days time, tomorrow will be 
yesterday :-) At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew 
Rixon wrote: Thanks Harrison. I must confess 
that my interest really isn't in whether the 4 
principles are principles or laws. Having 
recently read Phil Zimbardo's time paradox I 
couldn't but help to see how all 4 "principles" 
seem to relate to time. One of Zimbardo's 
interesting writings is around how we (often 
without knowing it) carry around with us a time 
perspective. The time perspectives he talks 
about are: 1.Future (The well known westerner 
approach to planning and all things about the 
future) 2.Present Hedonistic (Make the most of 
now) 3.Present Fatalistic (It's going to happen 
anyway) 4.Past Positive (Gratitude) 5.Past 
Negative (Woe to me) Which time perspective 
would you choose to help you be most "healthy" ? 
Zimbardo's answer is we (especially in the west) 
need to be Highly Past Positive. You can even do 
your own assessment of what time zone you're 
living in here: 
<http://www.thetimeparadox.com/>http://www.thetimeparadox.com/ 
Know any jokes about time? :-) Warm regards, 
Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish 
Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 
352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: 
<mailto:and...@babelfishgroup.com>and...@babelfishgroup.com 
URL: 
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9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching 
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mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf 
Of Harrison Owen Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 
AM To: 
<mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu 
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST Just to 
render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 
principles and one law are neither laws nor 
principles actually. To be honest they are just 
my (and others') observations of what seemed to 
be happening in any case. In a word they are 
descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You 
could say it is all a joke. Rather like 
"technology" in the phrase Open Space 
Technology. The joke, however turned out to be 
outrageously funny - because somehow or another 
truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! 
Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space 
simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does - and 
that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other 
stuff - like most of what we think we know about 
meetings, the management of meetings, and 
management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison 
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Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen 
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-----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [ 
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Of Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 
9:44 AM To: 
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Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST Hi Andrew I am 
unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to 
the principles. First of all the process is 
based on "SELF" (the most important concept 
here)-organisation which involved participation 
or non-participation which involves human 
choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach 
(Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, 
the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, 
am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) 
your choice to let things happen is an 
intervention and so you have influenced the 
process making what happens the only thing that 
could have. If you do not turn up then you have 
had an influence of non-influence on the process 
and outcome so you have been involved and have 
been part of the right people. What ever happens 
is the only thing as if you are "involved" your 
involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, 
likewise if you are "involved" via 
no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a 
different way and as I stated above what then 
happens is the only thing that could have. 
Likewise when it starts is because someone made 
a choice to start it and you are "involved" or 
"not" which still has impact and similarly it's 
over because there is a choice made that it is 
over via group consensus or an individual's 
choice that for them it is over. Everything is 
in some way linked and interdependent and what 
we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect 
all around us. We just need to always endeavour 
to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this 
adds to the confusion. 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
------------------------------------------- And 
on another thread, where are the most unusual 
places that folks know OST has happened? I 
recently had the pleasure of opening space for a 
great group of young people (that's anyone 
younger than me) from about 9 different parts of 
Europe who had come together In Londonderry to 
be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to 
Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One 
participant selected the swimming pool as an 
additional breakout space and it was one of the 
best attended sessions with the details of the 
conversation recorded at the side of the pool by 
anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth 
unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is 
the right place/only place it could have 
happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our 
website to view our services . 
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[ mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On 
Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 
To: 
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Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently 
I've been pondering / wondering about what might 
be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What 
isn't happening are all the things that should 
be" Or "What didn't happen are all the things 
that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever 
happens is the only thing that could have or 
did" What are your thoughts on other 
"complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, 
Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish 
Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 
352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: 
<mailto:and...@babelfishgroup.com>and...@babelfishgroup.com 
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Yep! Love that = one.

And I think the “Whatever = didn’t happen are 
all the things that should be” is pretty 
indicative of = someone living in the future.

Of course it couldn’t = possibly be me. J
Warm regards,
Andrew

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Andrew Rixon PhD
Director
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Skype: AndrewJRixon
Mobile: 0400 352 809
Fax: (03) 8610 0162
Email: and...@babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not 
to miss our national = conference October 8 and 
9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching 
change = one story at a time". Download the 
interactive brochure 
<3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.

=
From: = OSLIST 
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Brendan = McKeague
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 11:26 AM
To: <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST

for those living in the future it is wise to remember = that...
in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
:-)
At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:
Thanks = Harrison.

I must confess that my interest really isn’t in 
whether the 4 = principles are principles or laws.

Having recently read Phil Zimbardo’s time 
paradox I couldn’t = but help to see how all 4 
“principles” seem to relate to = time.

One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around 
how we (often = without knowing it) carry around 
with us a time perspective. The time = perspectives he talks about are:
Future (The = well known westerner approach to 
planning and all things about the = future)
Present = Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
Present = Fatalistic (It’s going to happen anyway)
Past = Positive (Gratitude)
Past = Negative (Woe to me)

Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most “healthy” ?

Zimbardo’s answer is we (especially in the west) 
need to be Highly = Past Positive.

You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you’re = living in here:

http://www.thetimeparadox.com/

Know any jokes about time? J

Warm regards,
Andrew

--
Andrew Rixon PhD
Director
Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
Skype: AndrewJRixon
Mobile: 0400 352 809
Fax: (03) 8610 0162
Email: and...@babelfishgroup.com
URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not 
to miss our national = conference October 8 and 
9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching 
change = one story at a time". Download the 
interactive brochure 
<3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.

From: OSLIST [ 
mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 4:59 AM
To: <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST

Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 
4 principles and one law are = neither laws nor 
principles actually. To be honest they are just 
my (and = others’) observations of what seemed 
to be happening in any case. In a word they = 
are descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You 
could say it is all a = joke. Rather like 
“technology” in the phrase Open Space = 
Technology. The joke, however turned out to be 
outrageously funny – because = somehow or 
another truth broke through. We are in serious 
trouble! Everybody knows = that what happens in 
Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it 
= does – and that makes a joke out of a whole 
mess of other stuff – = like most of what we 
think we know about meetings, the management of 
= meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!!

Harrison

Harrison Owen

7808 River Falls = Drive

Potomac, Maryland   = 20854


Phone 301-365-2093

Skype hhowen

Open Space Training 
<3D%22http://www.openspaceworld.com/%22>www.openspaceworld.com =

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Personal website www.ho-image.com

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From: OSLIST [ 
mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
To: <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST

Hi Andrew

I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to = the principles.

First of all the process is based on "SELF" = 
(the most important concept here)-organisation 
which involved participation = or 
non-participation which involves human 
choice.  Even if you adopt a = Doris Day 
approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, 
will be, the future's = not ours to see, que 
serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing 
this song = lol) your choice to let things 
happen is an intervention and so you have = 
influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have.

If you do not turn up then you have had an = 
influence  of non-influence on the process and 
outcome so you have been involved and = have been part of the right people.

What ever happens is the only thing as if you 
are "involved" your involvement changes the 
dynamic and outcome, = likewise if you are 
"involved" via no-involvement you affect the = 
dynamic in a different way and as I stated above 
what then happens is the only thing = that could have.

Likewise when it starts is because someone made 
a = choice to start it and you are "involved" or 
"not" which still = has impact and similarly 
it's over because there is a choice made that it 
is = over via group consensus or an individual's 
choice that for them it is = over.

Everything is in some way linked and 
interdependent = and what we choose to do or not 
do, ripples out to affect all around us.

We just need to always endeavour to impact in a = positive way.

Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.


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And on another thread, where are the most 
unusual places that folks know = OST has happened?

I recently had the pleasure of opening space for 
a = great group of young people (that's anyone 
younger than me) from  about 9 different parts 
of Europe who had come together In Londonderry 
to be = involved in an Up-cycling project of 
Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.

One participant selected the swimming pool as an 
= additional breakout space and it was one of 
the best attended sessions with the = details of 
the conversation recorded at the side of the 
pool by anyone out of the = water.

Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have = happened


Regards

Derrick



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From: = OSLIST [ 
mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
To: <mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu>osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
Dear All,

Recently I’ve been pondering / wondering about 
what might be the Anti-laws of OST.

For instance.

“What isn’t happening are all the things that should = be”

Or

“What didn’t happen are all the things that should = have”

As opposed to…

“Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or = did”

What are your thoughts on other “complimentary” anti-laws? = J

Warm regards,
Andrew

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