i think you're forgetting two things, kaliya.
first, nobody is or can be "bringing the community" anywhere.
anyone can invite all of us to anywhere and each of us will make
our own choices about showing up. no bringing at all.
second, the open space institute is not responsible for your
passion -- but you could be. if you think something's missing on
the great ost wall of the internet, just post it up there
yourself. you certainly have the vision and skills to create the
things you want to see. just go do it.
as for ownership of stuff like ning content... have you ever
noticed that we don't actually own our 13+ years of oslist
content? but if they closed us down tomorrow (and this really did
*almost* happen a little while back), i'm sure we'd be back
together again someplace else in a matter of days.
meanwhile, we do already have dozens of community sites and sub-
sites in this community, each one the product of personal passion
bounded by responsibility. and then a bunch of individual sites
that offer even more. i rather like that our web presence is so
big and open that anyone can make an offering and be part of it,
and that the whole of it is so much bigger than any single site or
institute. we're bigger, too, than your proverbial bus.
m
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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Kaliya *
<[email protected]> wrote:
While appreciate the invitation to this space.
I really object to bringing the community to private service. The
company NING is just like facebook or myspace it is managed and
controlled ultimately by a corporation.
It is closed source (the code that is used underlying the site is
owned and not viewable by us).
The data of our use and the people on it - it is not clear about
where it goes.
The community life all the information is "stuck" in the system -
it is not using open standards - so that at some point we wanted
to leave NING we could.
Ning does not have open standards avaliable for the activities on
the site and HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY of the conversations
around developing or adopting those under development for social
activities on the web.
There is NO Reason to do this.
I think it would be much more responsible to get a REAL COMMUNITY
LIFE AROUND
1) A WIKI that is build on an open source "mainstream" wiki.
2) A BLOG with community members contributing to and with
different members free to start their own blogs
3) A robust commenting system
4) A twitter strategy for lists and community connections in that
medium.
ALL of the above can be built on open source tools
On servers that we manage and control. ( Or in the cloud but on
our terms and we can move to a new service if we don't like. )
No corporate entity can choose to turn it off. We "own" it.
All of the above can implement a common way to let members of the
community login across all of them with one login/password using
OpenID.
NING HAS NOT PLANS to Implement OpenID - (or any of the other
standards)
http://developer.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1185512%3ATopic%3A11361
I have been talking about this for well over a year but apparently
there is no movement by the Open Space institute by the actually
developing the community tools in community.
Kaliya * <[email protected]>
To: OSLIST <[email protected]>
Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Lisa just pinged me about this e-mail on the list and asked I
respond.
I don't have time until next week to surface and comment fully. I
on the 4th day of 12 days in a row of "traditional" conferences
that I attending as a participant speaker.
At the core of a comment I made in response to a request for a
donation to the OSI USA.
I would like to see the core community site have:
* a mainstream wiki that has broad access rights. (this is an
editable website) yes there is currently a wiki - and no it is not
a current mainstream wiki platform (there for has a non-normal
syntax) and it has restricted access rights.
* an aggregation of blogs and another one for microblogging for
practitioners that pulls in the feeds from all the things that
practitioners publish in these formats aggregated (via RSS) into
one space (example from my technical community is Planet Identity
(http://www.planetidentity.org)
* admin access rights and responsibility held by several people
(not just one person who if hit by a truck basically limits
capacity of the whole community to function).
-Kaliya
TECHNOLOGY strategy for this community should be done in an open
transparent way.
It should use "the best of" open source (this is very different
then "free tools" that are closed source and corporate owned with
"them untimately in control) and focus on using open standards
where possible.
It should be developed in a way that includes the wisdom of those
of us with tech backgrounds and done in a way that explains our
decisions to smart people who are "not techies" so they understand
the decisions/strategies and agree they are in alignment with the
community values and vision.
global proceedings aggregator?
Michael Herman <[email protected]> Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at
11:54 PM
Reply-To: OSLIST <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
here's a new one, i think. for the techies among us.
how would you capture proceedings if you were to have, say,
dozens, or
even hundreds of events convened simultaneously and you wanted
everybody everywhere to be able to post their proceedings into one
central place. everybody except spammers, of course. videos can be
posted to youtube and tagged. photos to flickr. but what about the
text proceedings? and there is also the issue of a directory of
event
locations. hoping this wouldn't require a dedicated
application/platform. here are some ideas.
-listserve like yahoo or google group - non-public is a downside
-facebook group - non-public is downside here too
-wiki - might be too complex for rapid scale-up
-blog - might be coolest, but might require moderation
-twitter - might there be a way to collect only the issues raised
everywhere? tagged by location, perhaps? could happen more places
cuz could send from cellphones?
-blog - could make a post or page for every event reported and then
let them post comments.
-just get everyone to start their own simple, free blog and use a
blog
aggregator... might miss a lot of sites.
-google docs?
-blog with a single "guest/contributor" username and password,
publicly posted, with user only allowed to post reports, tagging for
author and location within the post?
...this last option might be best, but then we get to the question of
what if it all really works and folks wanted to post some stream of
ongoing results and actions. could happen. so the system might want
to support that.
anything else you can think of out there in social networking space
that could support such a thing?
i think i like the twitter option, but have no idea if it can be made
to function in this way. could all of this be aimed at a single
twitter name, or just tagged with a single twitter tag? and somehow
captured in a way taht was searchable and scrollable long after the
first events occured?
then there's the scenario where somehow we get to hack up a new
version of the world map <grin>.
so that's as far as i can guess, and maybe even a little past
that. thoughts?
many thanks,
m
I read now that someone wrote in this thread "that NING does all
this" I should have brought forward these concerns then and
perhaps get movement going in an open direction. I am sorry i
didn't track that thread. When I popped up and made the preceding
comment I prefaced it saying I was in the middle of conference
season.
You are all in luck. I just "finished" my unconference season and
have time to actually give to the communities I love and care about.
I appreciate the care and attention that Artur Silva (Portugal),
Shufang Tsai (Taiwan) and Lisa Heft (USA) have put forward to do
this.
I get that it was a utilitarian choice and was not informed by
deeper issues and values choices that are being made by using
closed source, proprietary and non-open standards based tools. It
was only done in love with the best intentions. I feel I have to
speak up because I am technologically literate particularly in
this area about openness and standards - it is where my core open
space facilitation work is - with communities developing an open
layer of the web that is social and community driven.
I hope that I can work with others in the community who want to
make the most open choices possible and a collaborative on a
future looking online/tech strategy for the community.
Regards,
-Kaliya
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Lisa Heft
<[email protected]> wrote:
Artur Silva (Portugal), Shufang Tsai (Taiwan) and Lisa Heft (USA)
welcome you to join us at the:
Open Space World Community Ning site
A gathering place for sharing, learning, resources and community.
-- create and host or join a regional group in your own language
-- see the photos of members - including your wonderful OSLIST
colleagues
-- post links to photos, videos, tweets or blogs
-- create calendar listings for your events
-- post and share resources
-- create or join a theme-based group about whatever you would like!
-- engage in live chat.
This co-created Ning web portal for all things Open Space is a
compliment to the rich and welcoming dialogue of OSLIST and all
our web-based resources such as openspaceworld.org
It is free.
Come and co-create.
The seedling has sprouted - let us grow this lovely learning tree.
Jump right on - sign in - create your own page and begin.
(It is new...in its Beta stage...we are still trying out design
and functions...come visit us there, enjoy using it, share any
ideas for improvement you may recommend...there is even a 'Caring
for this Online Community' Group you can join...and if anything
does not work smoothly we will all learn and share how to fix it...)
Do join us in this nutritious and diverse community meeting place.
http://openspaceworld.ning.com
We will continue our rich and vibrant dialogues here on OSLIST,
and we will see you also in the Open Space World Community Ning
site...
Artur, Shufang and Lisa
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