Thank you, Anne, and...
Wow - that is a beautiful question, Michael.

It invites me to think about these words.

I think that 'know' to me feels like ownership of a truth that I myself know-feel-understand as a truth / fact / etc.

I think that 'trust' is (for me) the not having to know. The not- knowing. The faith. The belief in the unknown and unknowable. Even the possibility that the truth could be other than I know.

I am not getting quite to it with words (maybe it is not something that can be described in words)...
The letting-go kind of knowing?

Even though I 'know' that the method will work and the people are amazing, somehow to me the 'trust' is my gesture (practice? action? dance?) of faith.

...

Who else wants to play with this idea?

From Berlin,
Lisa

On May 12, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:

Dear Lisa,
I wonder about the "trust". If I am good and wise and reflected I might be able to trust myself. What kind of relationship do I establish between me and something or between me and someone when I "trust" something or someone? What about "know", in the sense of "I know that selforganisation exists" or "I know that I and others do come alive, act and are productive under the condition of expanded time and space for selforganisation"? In the end, I might arrive at the same juncture regardless of whether I "trust" or I "know": open space itself is the most luscious icebreaker on earth (having seen this in the 170 events I facilitated for teachers, social workers, mediators, grade school students, doctors, politicians, government workers, architects, city planners, highschoolstudents, chemical plant workers, IT specialists, alcoholics, communications experts, ministers, volunteers, university professors, sanitation workers...I KNOW it).
Seems to me that "knowing" is much less work for me than "trusting".
Isn't knowing also more robust and reliabel than trusting?

Good thing we can munch on this some more at the WOSonOS beginning tomorrow. You wont believe this but there were three more folks that signed in today, 2 from Berlin and one from London.
Sleep tight
mmp


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