I know that the work at Saybrook University is inspired by the work of
the Powers of Place Initiative, headed by Sheryl Erickson. There is a
website with a very huge list of resources
http://www.powersofplace.com/
and an online community with a list of transformational places (PlaceBook):
http://powersofplace-workspace.ning.com/
With love,
Ria
On 8/06/11 17:22, [email protected] wrote:
Well, I'm not sure that place should not be included. There is some
really interesting work being done in the OS Department at Saybrook
University on the "power of place." If anyone is interested, I'll go
dig it out. Best, Donna
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Subject: [OSList] FW: Welcome to the 5th principle in order to remain
4
From: "Harrison Owen" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Tue, June 07, 2011 2:14 pm
To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
I think I’ve found the secret. It is not so much what I said – but
what we all said which was “carried along” as a continuation of
the thread. So the answer is Delete, Delete, Delete.
Maybe?
Harrison//
Jorge – Welcome! And don’t stay away so long!!
Two principles about “time.” You’re right! But are both necessary?
I thought so at the time (bad pun J). The principles (all of them)
popped into my head over a period of years as I noticed the
strange things that happened in Open Space – and particularly the
strange things that appeared to perplex people. I found myself
enunciating the principles as a way of pointing out what they were
likely to run into and to suggest that, strange as it might seem,
everything would work out just fine.
The first Principle should make the point. Everybody was always
concerned that the “right” people come to a meeting. Usually they
meant those people with the political position, the appropriate
authority, or the right expertise. The experience, however, went
in a very different direction. Often it seemed like that even if
NONE of the “right” people showed up still very useful things
happened. I confess it took me a while to figure out why that
might be true – but from the start, it just seemed like a fact of
life. Counter-intuitive as it might seem, “Whoever comes is the
right people.”
The two “time” Principles showed up for similar reasons. Obviously
they are both about time, but very different sorts of time. There
is “beginning” time and “ending” time. And people seemed very
concerned about each, but for different reasons. I noticed that
folks were often sweating the fact that we might not start “on
time.” But I also noticed that whenever we started, everything
seemed to work out just fine – hence, “Whenever it starts is the
right time.”
Ending time is a different creature. And most people just really
don’t want to talk about it. In extreme situations that sort of
time is called “death.” But even in more proximate situations,
“ending” is something we would rather not confront. Hopefully,
things will just go on forever. But the don’t! All of this
becomes quite difficult when we spend a lot of time and effort
keeping something going, when in fact it is already ended. Dead so
to speak. Companies that have seen better days and should just
retire from the field of battle with a good funeral just keep
plugging away, wasting massive amounts of human energy and Spirit.
In truth they would do everybody a favor, themselves included, if
they would just admit the obvious, It’s over! Hence the Principle:
“When it is over, it’s over.”
There is really nothing very arcane and deep theory about these 5
Principles. Just funny things I’ve noticed that sometimes seem to
get in people’s way as they move in Open Space. The Principles
don’t actually change a thing. What’s going to happen will. But
when folks have a “heads-up” it seems to make it a little easier
for them.
Harrison
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*Subject:* Re: [OSList] Welcome to the 5th principle in order to
remain 4
Dear community
I would like to delve a little deeper on the idea that I have
raised with the title "Welcome the 5th principle in order to
remain 4”.
First, tell you I appreciate and value the open space is OSLIST
virtual. I am basically a peripheral participant OSLIST. Very few
times I've written something, but I am a legitimate peripheral to
live in freedom and responsibility to participate from time to
time on subjects that interest me.
And this has been the case. The appearance of the reflections and
comments on the 5 th Principle has interested me. I believe that
the talks that have emerged on this new principle have been a
great contribution to cultivate the spirit of the OS, for to
flourish his essence.
The foundations for the incorporation of this new principle seem
solid and have been exhibited with clarity by Harrison Owen and
others. This new principle, - which has always been there-, makes
me much sense incorporate it into the opening of OS, because it
provides an essential distinction to the experience of the spirit
of the OS.
But it was his appearance that made me take a fresh look to each
of the other Principles. I wondered what was the equivalent
contribution of each one, which led me to review the focus and the
ideas associated with each.
The focus of the first principle is people. The recognition that
whatever is done will be done by people who are there. In our
practice as facilitators, with my dear friend Juan Luis,
enunciated this principle as "somos los que estamos, estamos los
que somos" an expression that our culture promotes the idea that
those are the best people to carry out the task . This focus
responds to the who / whom
The focus of the second, the action is, what is happening, what
people do, the experience of what I will do - we will do, I do -
we do, I did – we did. The lived process, the successful product.
It responds to what
For me, the focus of the third and fourth principle is only one,
is time. Present as one principle helps to raise awareness of the
relationship we have with time. From the experience of time to
create, to learn. To start and finish. The title of this merger
could be "when it starts, it starts, When it is over, it is over."
This focus responds to when
And there is the new principle, which brings the experience of
space itself. The place of meeting, whatever, will always be an
appropriate place. There is the worry about whether he could be in
a better place, once there, this is the right place. Responds to
where.
That's how I came to wonder the idea of welcoming the principle
5 in order to remain 4.
But also in terms of form, I like the idea of 4 to 5 Principles.
I think four is more harmonious with the circle of the OS figure.
Shape 4 shows key dimensions of life: the 4 cardinal points, the 4
seasons, the 4 basic elements and others. Finally, also, that less
is more.
But maybe I'm not seeing something important to justify the two
principles associated with the time necessary and useful to
present them separately. If so, please ask me what they indicate.
OS has been effective so far as it is and I believe that the
Principles are 4 or 5, does not add anything significant. In any
case, try my idea in the next OS to provide.
Finally, reflect on the subject I have found attractive, I
recreated the spirit of OS.
A hug for everyone and we hope in Chile, the right place for the
next Wosonos.
Jorge Amigo
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