Hi Birgitt:
I think you are making confusion between (1) the methodology "Open Space
Technology" and (2) some books that present it - or elaborate based on it.
So let me clarify what I was saying.
1. The methodology "Open Space Technology" is not copyrighted
- nor trademarked.
1.1. Indeed, it is the fact that OST is not trademarked that allows others to
"combine" OST with other methods and trademark the all “package”.
2. To be a facilitator of OST there is no "certification"
needed; anyone can begin using it and later learn more through reading
books, attending OST events, following courses or attending OSonOS events. As
Harrison putted it "Experience has shown that any individual with a good
head and a good heart can achieve satisfactory results". This is IMHO a
"foundation" of OST so important as the circle, the market place, the
law, etc.
2.1. Using OST in certification processes violates, in my opinion, this OST
"foundation".
3. What is copyrighted is Harrison Owen's book "OST - A User's
Guide", published by Berrett-Koehler - as well as other books
"related with OST" that he and others have published in traditional
book publishers. Nevertheless, it must be noted that:
3.1. The first version of "OST - A User's Guide" is not
copyrighted and can be downloaded free of charges from:
http://openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm.
And it still is a good beginning.
3.2. All books published in traditional book publishers are
copyrighted;
3.3. When the first edition of the User's Guide was published
by Berrett-Koehler, the concept of copy left
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft),
applied to software or books, as well as the concept of Creative Commons
(http://creativecommons.org/; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons)
did not yet exist. Also, self-publishing sites (like, for instance,
http://www.lulu.com/,
among many others) did not exist yet.
3.4. "OST" is not licensed as a "Creative Commons" license;
hence if OST was copyrighted/trademarked, using it as part of other methods,
would be not only unethical, but also illegal (if the OST legislation is
similar to others that I know better).
If you still have doubts about what I think, please ask. If you are clarified
about
that, then we can conclude that there is indeed a difference of opinions. But
differences of opinions are always happening in organizations and communities -
and more so when the space is open - and are not necessarily a bad thing…
Regards
Artur
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From: Birgitt Williams <[email protected]>
To: 'Artur Silva' <[email protected]>; 'World wide Open Space Technology
email list' <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking
Dear Artur,
I have some confusion about what you are saying about copyrighting. All books
pertaining to OST including the User’s Guide, which defines OST, are
copyrighted. All of Harrison’s teaching powerpoints about OST are copyrighted.
I personally think this copyrighting was essential. Copyrighting can be
perceived as a responsible way of the author to protect the materials, names,
processes etc for the use of anyone who cares to use this material…freely. If
Harrison had not copyrighted these materials, it could have been problematic in
that someone else might have come along and copyrighted them….and then
restricted their use…and it would definitely have had a negative impact on this
entire OST community. So, personally, I thank HO for copyrighting.
Warmly,
Birgitt Williams
www.dalarinternational.com
From:[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Artur Silva
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:39 AM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking
Peggy (also Birgitt, Harrison and all):
Bertalanffy spoke about "General Systems Theory" - the tytle of his most known
book - where he talked mostly about "Open Systems". I never heard that he used
the expression "Open Systems Theory", and he never used, as far as I know,
acronyms - so he never used OST.
In what concerns Emery and Trist, they are most known from their experiences at
the Tavistock Institute in the UK, where they begin talking about
"socio-technical systems" - that Enid Munford later used to understand
(Organizational) Information Systems Requirements Analysis and Design, using
the "ETHICS" approach.
What I didn't know (and discovered from a completely different reason -
searching for predecessors of the "Chaordic Systems Theory" - CST), was that
Emery also used Open Systems Theory, that he abbreviated to OST.
In the Wikipedia page you mentioned, Peggy, it's written:
Sociotechnical systemsis one part of a comprehensive theoretical framework
called Open Systems Theory (OST). Two of Emery's and Trist's key publications
were: "The Causal Texture of Organisational Environments"(1965) - which became
a citation classic - and "Towards a Social Ecology" (1972). These publications
are the groundwork on which Fred Emery developed OST.
So I think that Emery use of OST has no relation with Open Systems Technology
and was probably used first.
But that is more of a "curiosity" than anything else: even if "Open Space
Technology" was copyrighted the acronym wouldn't be, I presume.
But if OST was copyrighted or trademarked it would be a completely different
animal, of course. For me the non-copyrighted nature of Open Space Technology
is one of its "foundations". I would never be interested in OST if it was
copyrighted and had any "certification programs" associated...
Best
Artur
PS: Another curiosity is that if one searches in Google for "Open Systems
Institute" the first entry is no longer a Canadian environmental organization
(as I pointed out to you, Peggy, some time ago), but one of the enters
corresponds to The Institute for Open Systems Technologies Pty Ltd
(http://www.ifost.org.au/) - an IT company... So, as Harrison pointed out,
there is no use in defending the indefensible...
From:Peggy Holman <[email protected]>
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking
Birgitt,
The term open systems theory was used by Ludwig von Bertalanffy in the 1950's.
Emery and Trist started using the term in the 1960's.
Peggy
On Dec 12, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Birgitt Williams wrote:
Looking deeper into the website, Artur, it is not at all clear who these people
with OST (Open Systems Thinking) are. What they have at one point in their
documents, however, is an article by Emery about Open Systems Thinking with
reference that it is OST. I find this odd because Emery, also a highly regarded
thought leader in organizational development, is well aware of OST as Open
Space Technology.
Ah well. As Harrison says, OST is not trademarked. However, all of his books
including Open Space Technology are copyrighted (also a legal designation). And
despite the copyrighting, it is not worth defending as OST is out there
sufficiently in the world as Open Space Technology already.
One reason that I am such a stickler about using ‘Open Space Technology’ rather
than the shortened form ‘Open Space’ is that there is even more confusion about
‘Open Space’ as applied to this meeting method since Open Space as a term was
used long before OST came along…especially in architecture and landscape
architecture. I think that the more we all are careful about mentioning ‘Open
Space Technology’, the more that there is a common recognition of a fabulous
meeting facilitation method.
Birgitt
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:45 AM
To: 'Artur Silva'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
Subject: Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking
Never heard of them. Thank God I never patented or trademarked OST. Just
imagine all the trouble I would be in defending the indefensible – or
something. Much more fun just to give it all away. And you certainly meet
incredibly interesting people J
ho
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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:52 AM
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Subject: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking
Hi:
Have any of you ever heard about this?
OST - OPEN SYSTEMS THINKING:
http://www.thelightonthehill.com/
Interesting...
Regards
Artur
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