Thanks, Harrison. Just started reading Wave Rider earlier today! Thanks for the vote of confidence and the reframe. Will surely post about the progress.
--Susan On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 3:05 PM, <oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org>wrote: > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Using OS with a team on a project (Susan Geller) > 2. Re: Using OS with a team on a project (Harrison Owen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:52:50 -0600 > From: Susan Geller <sgel...@umn.edu> > To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > Subject: [OSList] Using OS with a team on a project > Message-ID: > < > caggmqtnzbrefmaxstmnramhtx87cpw7k96tkxwxnpirc2+e...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, all. I am new to this list. I posted this question to the LinkedIn OS > group and was encouraged by Lisa Heft to post it here. I am somewhat new > to OS as well, having first been introduced to it about 1.5 yrs ago through > Art of Hosting. I recently attended a full day workshop on OS in OS. > During that day of workshop I worked on the idea of using OS with a team > of people at a large institution on a two year project. > > We start working together early in 2013. We will have weekly 2 hour > meetings. The people in the room will be the leadership of the project and > the staff working on the project - about 20 people all together, four of > whom will be attending virtually (via Google Hangout). I think OST can > really help this group work together well. I am looking for some input from > people who have worked with a team over time using OST as a way of being > together. > > We have a 1/2 day together will we will be in OS around the theme of us > working together. And, then thereafter our 2 hour meetings will be held in > OS. I have thought about the way we can use the principles to guide our > work even to the extent they seem to be contradicted by our frame. For > example "it's over when it's over" means that even if our 2 hour meeting > ends, if the topic is not complete, we don't need to say it is done or > assign it as an "action item" (traditional meeting frame). It can be > continued in whatever way that group identifies. > > My current thinking is that we'll start each gathering in a marketplace and > end each gathering with the question "what does our entire group need to > know and/or work on?" as a way of bringing the conversations back to the > center. > > It will be hard for me to add spaces on the fly to these meetings b/c of > the logistics of having people attend virtually. It will work better if I > have the google hangouts created from the start and have an external web > cam devoted to each break out. So, I'm wondering for a group of 20 how > many spaces I should be preparing. I'm thinking 4. > > I'm interested in what you think about all of this. What might I be > thinking about? How can the core principles of OST help guide us given our > structural limitations? What have you learned by doing something similar to > my challenge? > > Thank you. > > --Susan > > Susan B. Geller > Project Director, Enterprise Portal, University of Minnesota > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > e-mail: sgel...@umn.edu > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20121223/6a8f83ae/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:06:54 -0500 > From: "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net> > To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Using OS with a team on a project > Message-ID: <000801cde12f$e8e55ab0$bab01010$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Susan - Fun project! And I have some thoughts. First is that I wouldn't > worry too much about the formal Open Spaces and how to arrange them. I > believe that will fall out naturally and they will be useful and productive > - but much more useful and more productive will be seeing your total > collective effort as ALL taking place in Open Space. Seen this way there > will be no beginning or end but only a difference in mode and intensity. > Said a little differently, it is all open space, just sometimes it is > engaged in a more formal fashion (sit in circle, create bulletin board.), > as > need and occasion require. As for the 4 (really 5) principles and the one > law, they have always been DE-scriptive and not PRE-scriptive. Which is to > say they will happen anyway, that is just the way life is. Of course, > being > aware of them is useful, just as it is useful to be aware of any > fundamental > fact of life. Something about the unexamined life being less than fully > livable. > > > > My suggestion has nothing to do with the notion of "Doing your Project as > Open Space," as if you really had any choice. Unless I have totally missed > the boat (quite possible) we can't choose to be self organizing (live in > open space) - that is just the way things are, much like our relationship > to gravity. Comes with the territory. We can, however choose to fight city > hall, and seek to impose our own notions of how things ought to be - which > is what happens when we attempt to organize a self organizing system. As I > have said ad nauseam - that is not only an oxymoron, but stupid, and also a > waste of time. So the first, and really only thought/suggestion is that > your project is already "in open space" (like all the rest of life) - and > the major question is how to behave in useful, appropriate, and productive > ways. > > > > Given this perspective, Open Space events are simply training programs for > life. They may also (usually do) have specific positive outcomes (plans > made, designs created, etc) but at the end of the day the major gift is to > build our awareness and skills for living. After 27 years and 100's of > thousands of iterations, I think we have built a small knowledge base > relating to how all of this can be well done. Interestingly, virtually none > of this learning is all that original - but so often we forget, and it is > nice to have a refresher course. > > > > So as you prepare for your project, I suggest you worry less about how to > do > OSTs and rather more about how to acknowledge and optimize life in open > space every day. The events will take care of themselves. And where to > start? I think you are already at the starting line, given your experience > with the Art of Hosting. It all begins with Invitation. > > > > What can happen next will be multiple and various for there have been lots > of people doing lots of learning. My take of the state of affairs is laid > out in the second part of my book, "Wave Rider", called "The Wave Rider's > Guide to the Future." > > > > Susan, thanks for sharing - and I for one look forward to your next > installment! > > > > Harrison > > > > > > > > Harrison Owen > > 7808 River Falls Dr. > > Potomac, MD 20854 > > USA > > > > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) > > Camden, Maine 04843 > > > > Phone 301-365-2093 > > (summer) 207-763-3261 > > > > www.openspaceworld.com > > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST > Go to: > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Susan Geller > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 8:53 AM > To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > Subject: [OSList] Using OS with a team on a project > > > > Hi, all. I am new to this list. I posted this question to the LinkedIn OS > group and was encouraged by Lisa Heft to post it here. I am somewhat new > to > OS as well, having first been introduced to it about 1.5 yrs ago through > Art > of Hosting. I recently attended a full day workshop on OS in OS. During > that day of workshop I worked on the idea of using OS with a team of people > at a large institution on a two year project. > > > > We start working together early in 2013. We will have weekly 2 hour > meetings. The people in the room will be the leadership of the project and > the staff working on the project - about 20 people all together, four of > whom will be attending virtually (via Google Hangout). I think OST can > really help this group work together well. I am looking for some input from > people who have worked with a team over time using OST as a way of being > together. > > > > We have a 1/2 day together will we will be in OS around the theme of us > working together. And, then thereafter our 2 hour meetings will be held in > OS. I have thought about the way we can use the principles to guide our > work even to the extent they seem to be contradicted by our frame. For > example "it's over when it's over" means that even if our 2 hour meeting > ends, if the topic is not complete, we don't need to say it is done or > assign it as an "action item" (traditional meeting frame). It can be > continued in whatever way that group identifies. > > > > My current thinking is that we'll start each gathering in a marketplace and > end each gathering with the question "what does our entire group need to > know and/or work on?" as a way of bringing the conversations back to the > center. > > > > It will be hard for me to add spaces on the fly to these meetings b/c of > the > logistics of having people attend virtually. It will work better if I have > the google hangouts created from the start and have an external web cam > devoted to each break out. So, I'm wondering for a group of 20 how many > spaces I should be preparing. I'm thinking 4. > > > > I'm interested in what you think about all of this. What might I be > thinking about? How can the core principles of OST help guide us given our > structural limitations? What have you learned by doing something similar to > my challenge? > > > > Thank you. > > > > --Susan > > > > Susan B. Geller > > Project Director, Enterprise Portal, University of Minnesota > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > e-mail: sgel...@umn.edu > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20121223/ff779ecf/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > End of OSList Digest, Vol 22, Issue 18 > ************************************** > -- Susan B. 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