Koos, I have used that little calculator so many times! It's time I mentioned publicly how much I appreciate you for sharing it with the community! Thank you so much.
And, Kari, it's a great tool and a great gift to all of us. Best, Diana Diana Larsen http://futureworksconsulting.com Sent from my iPad. Please excuse typos & other fumble fingered effects. On Mar 21, 2013, at 12:40, "Koos de Heer" <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Kari, > > I once made a spreadsheet (in feet and in meters) to calculate how many > people will fit into a given space. > > You can find it on my website: > http://auryn.nl/eng/requirements.html > > Have fun with it. > > Koos > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] Namens Michael M Pannwitz > Verzonden: dinsdag 19 maart 2013 15:51 > Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list > Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] What are your thoughts on venue size selection? > > This is great stuff, Gerard and reminds me of one thing I forgot: > I have never accepted an os-contract without having seen the space... > even if it was in Paris, Wuerzburg, Sevilla... and weeks or months before. > BUT I did agree to some ost-trainings (Karachi in Pakistan, Levov in > Ukraine) and one event in the outskirts of Nairobi in Kenya... but only > under the condition of arriving several days in advance AND it was > always necessary (in Ukraine the rooms were under construction when we > arrived!!)... of course, the open space gods saved the day every time. > > Have a great day > mmp > > On 19.03.2013 13:59, Gerard Muller wrote: >> Dear Kari, >> >> I have found the following rule of thumb in general useful. >> >> 1. Two square meters per participant is minimum to have both opening, > closing and discussions in one room. So 100 sq m means maximum 50 > participants. >> 2. One and a half meters per participant to have opening and closing, but > space outside the room needed for discussion groups- >> >> The above assumes that: >> - 100 square meters is 100 real square meters. Some locations calculate > outer boundary rather than real surface space, there may be factors reducing > the real space available, >> such as pillars, things fixed to the floor, I even once found there was > a round bar in the middle of a very large space - not movable …..; >> drinks etc to be served outside the room, computer station and > registration outside the room - if you have all that inside, I agree with > Gerardo's 3 sq meters. >> >> On the other hand, there may be reasons why there is more space than seems > the case. Like a large lobby area around, some tables and chairs on a > terrace outside >> when the weather is nice, and so on. I always like to have a look around > on site to see whether there are these kind of possibilities. >> >> I have also found the shape of the room has some impact. A round or square > room somehow seems to accommodate more people than a room which is longish. >> Finally the power of the question I feel also has an influence on how many > fit into a room. I once had 200 in a cellar 40 by 7 meters, dark and my head > almost touched the ceiling, >> so by all calculations a space very unfit. It did not matter. They used it > because they were i trouble and could not afford to rent a location, and it > sort of enhanced the sense >> something had to be done. >> >> Hope this is useful, >> >> Greetings from a beginning snowstorm, >> >> >> >> >> Gerard Muller >> Open Space Institute Denmark >> >> >> On Mar 19, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Michael M Pannwitz <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >>> I see it about the same way as you, Gerardo, the number of people in an > open space is in relation to the main space where everyone is gathering for > the start, the bulletin board and the market. >>> My rule of thumb is to ask how many folks the room will hold theater > style seating (in rows) and divide that by 3 (for larger rooms you can also > get the number of chairs allowed by the firedepartment and divide by > three)... that usually allows both for the circle and enough space for the > bulletin board. >>> Of course, the shape is important. >>> Karis large room is fairly perfect, in my experience, with dimensions > similar to that of an A4 sheet (3 x 2), leaving enough space at either end > of the room for the bulletin board... or for one or two breakout spaces for > the time after the opening with some breaking up of the initial circle. >>> You can probably get everyone to sit in one real circle with about 35 > people, or have a very perfect circle with about 22 people and then add > parts of circles on the two edges facing the narrow side of the room to > accomodate about 40 people. >>> Of course, the neat approach is to have a good guess at how many people > are expected and search for a venue THEN. >>> Another observation I have made is that the space is never too large... > and spacious is grand for open space... with the additional option to have > all of the action (breakout spaces etc.) all in one space for everyone to > see the whole action all the time (the never-ending buffet is better outside > in the hallway close to the news wall). >>> >>> Greetings from Berlin where I told a potential client a couple of weeks > ago that the space he has for his event with 400 folks is big enough for a > 135 people open space... no response! >>> mmp >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> .03.2013 12:30, scuola superiore facilitazione wrote: >>>> Hi Kàri. >>>> The problem is the opening - you need to put all participants into one >>>> room. >>>> So I normally calculate the /carrying capacity /on the main room. >>>> My rule of the thumb is 3sqm per participants. >>>> Of course you can reduce the parameter a bit according to the shape of >>>> the room >>>> ge >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Kári Gunnarsson >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Oslist >>>> >>>> A client is asking about how many people he can have in Open Space > for >>>> a given venue. >>>> >>>> The space is divided in 3 rooms, on of them is upstairs. There >>>> dimensions and spaces are as follows: >>>> >>>> Big room: 7,8m x 12,8m (100 m2) >>>> Small side room: 5,0m x 8,8m (44 m2) >>>> Long room upstairs: 3,4m x 12,8m (43 m2) >>>> >>>> Total work area: 187 m2 >>>> >>>> Here are my gestimations: >>>> If I where only to use the large room, then I would only invite >>>> 40-50 people >>>> If I where to exclude the room upstairs then I could invite 60-70 > people >>>> But if I would include the room upstairs, then I could perhaps > invite >>>> up to 90 people >>>> >>>> What are your thoughts on venue selection? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kári Gunnarsson >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> gsm: +354 8645189 <tel:%2B354%208645189> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list >>>> To post send emails to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> >>>> >>>> *Gerardo de Luzenberger >>>> ***IAF: Certified Professional Facilitator*Mob: +39 3293281343* >>>> > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org>ge@scu > olafacilitazione.it >>>> > <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/blocked::mailto:[email protected] > t> >>>> >>>> >>>> ** >>>> >>>> * >>>> **SSF - Scuola di Facilitazione* >>>> >>>> *Via AlessandroVolta 6* >>>> *20121 Milano* >>>> Tel: +39 02 89751746 >>>> *Fax: +39 02 87151318 * >>>> [email protected] >>>> www.scuoladifacilitazione.it <http://www.scuoladifacilitazione.it> >>>> www.loci.it >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list >>>> To post send emails to [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Michael M Pannwitz >>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany >>> ++49 - 30-772 8000 >>> >>> >>> >>> Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 405 resident Open > Space Workers in 72 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: > www.openspaceworldmap.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > > -- > Michael M Pannwitz > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany > ++49 - 30-772 8000 > > > > Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 405 resident Open > Space Workers in 72 countries working in a total of 143 countries > worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list To post send emails to [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
