Hi Paul, My experience of real government is also that the process is "whatever works". I now wonder how to invite the government people to learn this skill-set of opening some space.
On 26 March 2013 14:39, paul levy <p...@cats3000.net> wrote: > A very small bit of a reply to your large question... > > I've worked with local government in the UK over the years. Government is > very document and formal meeting-led. Meetings tend to be bureaucratic and > very agenda-based and yet, in many meeitngs I've facilitated, the agenda is > often departed from, or even thrown out all together. often agenda items go > off at tangents and meetings get lost and frustrating. > > On occasions I've offered pop-up open space, described ere: > http://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/pop-up-open-space/ > > A simple: "Hey why don't we open some space here and create a new agenda?" > is often welcomed, especially if, as facilitator, you are trusted. > > A quick market place and off we go. Some sessions form around pre-existing > agenda items, other new sessions emerge. > > I don't even bother with an intro to open space. That is one less thing to > do.I find there is so much pent-up frustration in many government employees > and a wish to get things not (not always but often), open space feels > natural and freeing up. > > Not always, but sometimes, a pop-up open space is a delightful alternative > to the traditional agenda-driven way of government and it can often thrive > under the radar of senior management officialdom? And how is that possible? > For this reason: government bureaucracy is rarely about process but often > about written records and minutes. In open space, sessions get written up, > so who cares higher up how we got there? > > Sometimes it works. Sometimes. > > Paul > > > On 26 March 2013 12:47, Kári Gunnarsson <kari.gunnars...@simnet.is> wrote: >> >> It is closing on election day here in Iceland, several new political >> parties are forming, some with parliamentarians from the older >> parties. ... >> >> This idea that the modern western government system is closed and >> siloed is worrying to me, I think it could be better. What would an >> open space government system look like? >> >> >> >> On 25 March 2013 21:23, David Glenwinkel <da...@villagecare.com> wrote: > > >> >> > Thanks Harrison, >> > >> > I was a project trainer for Peace Corps Volunteers in the early 70’s, my >> > mom >> > was a country director. I have worked with PC guys on the ground in >> > Kenya >> > and Uganda, and it really revolutionized a few of them, one stayed with >> > our >> > work in Lugazi Uganda for over a year. In the end I just didn’t have the >> > time and drive to work it “up the slope” to the right folks. Hopefully >> > some >> > human resources are coming together that might take us to the right >> > place. >> > You are so right about anything new or different not having as much >> > chance >> > as an ice cube in hell of getting anything but fried by our siloed and >> > closed government system. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Harrison >> > Owen >> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 1:01 PM >> > >> > >> > To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' >> > Subject: [OSList] Conversations with David (retitled) >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks Tricia! Great to have this summary here on OSLIST. I know there >> > are >> > lots of other electronic venues (Google Docs, etc) that are >> > better/sexier/whatever – but having something HERE accomplishes two very >> > useful things, I think. First, it makes it easily available to the >> > global OS >> > community – some of whom are still running on Dial-up and don’t have all >> > the >> > newest bells and whistles. Secondly, having a place on OSLIST insures >> > that >> > the discussion will automatically become a part of the large and growing >> > Archives of the OS experience. I forget how many years we’ve got going >> > now, >> > but it more than a few – and it is all searchable. So many thanks!! >> > >> > >> > >> > And a few comments: Peace Corps – As an old Peace Corps staff member (I >> > mean >> > really old, Liberia/’67-70), but with some continuing connections, I am >> > sure >> > that the Village Care approach could be a marvelous fit with some >> > volunteers’ efforts. However, the way “in” does not run through >> > Washington. >> > In fact it is almost a rule that innovative program initiatives never >> > start >> > there. They start in the field with the volunteers. Washington support >> > can >> > be helpful, but a “Washington Initiated Program” most usually is Dead on >> > Arrival. So David – with all your folks on the ground in Africa – just >> > have >> > them talk to the volunteers, and tell their story. >> > >> > >> > >> > As for the Cabbies – true story. Happened in Tembesa, which is near >> > Jo’berg, >> > RSA. There was indeed a little violence. The Cabbies were shooting each >> > other for fares. Messy to say the least, and then somebody suggested an >> > Open >> > Space with all the Cabbies. They looked at me and thought I would jump >> > at >> > the chance. But the truth of the matter was, I was terrified. Can you >> > imagine standing in the middle of a circle of armed cab drivers who had >> > been >> > shooting each other? That’s when I came up with Plan B – “Economic >> > Development for Tembesa.” I figured with some more and different folks >> > there >> > at least might be some cover. >> > >> > >> > >> > Harrison >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Harrison Owen >> > >> > 7808 River Falls Dr. >> > >> > Potomac, MD 20854 >> > >> > USA >> > >> > >> > >> > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) >> > >> > Camden, Maine 04843 >> > >> > >> > >> > Phone 301-365-2093 >> > >> > (summer) 207-763-3261 >> > >> > >> > >> > www.openspaceworld.com >> > >> > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) >> > >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> > OSLIST >> > Go >> > to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > >> > >> > >> > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia >> > Chirumbole >> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:39 AM >> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today! >> > >> > >> > >> > okey doke, text follows! >> > >> > >> > >> > I wanted a shared google doc so that we could have a running account >> > that >> > was both editable and accessible by everyone. So I sent an invite that >> > allowed people to request access. >> > >> > >> > >> > SO, as a compromise, anyone interested in access to the google doc - let >> > me >> > know and I will invite you individually :) >> > >> > >> > >> > NOTES>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >> > >> > >> > >> > Village Care skype 1 >> > >> > · David shared the history and model for Village Care programs >> > in >> > Africa that are built on self-sufficiency and open space-style events. >> > The >> > programs involve gatherings that are usually 3 days with roughly 2 days >> > structured facilitation and 1 day Open Space, along with many other >> > elements. >> > >> > o There are a few different program types including: Basic home >> > practices >> > and Outcomes for Business. >> > >> > o David will share the detailed program description upon request. >> > >> > · Participants shared their interest in and questions about the >> > Village Care program – David answered a number of our specific queries. >> > >> > · Participants shared their stories about holding OS events in >> > different cultural contexts. >> > >> > · We agreed to continue holding the skype sessions as there was >> > a >> > lot to talk about – agreed to one hour duration for each conversation. >> > >> > · This is very rough and incomplete as I did not take notes on >> > this >> > call!! :O >> > >> > >> > >> > Village Care skype 2 >> > >> > · Participant mentioned his use of “pop-up open space”: When an >> > event is getting stale or losing energy, he suggests opening up some >> > space >> > for next part of day/event. ..I think >> > >> > · Participant raised the idea of getting the Peace Corps behind >> > the >> > Village Care program. She is a previous Peace Corps volunteer. >> > >> > o David loves the idea and has tried to get the Peace Corps involved, >> > even >> > traveling to DC to promote the idea, but had not made any progress. >> > >> > o Open to the idea of pursuing this if anyone has any contacts as he >> > feels >> > the missions of Village Care and Peace Corps are complimentary and that >> > the >> > Village Care model could provide Peace Corps volunteers with an >> > efficacious >> > program in contrast to the many assignments where there is not much to >> > do or >> > a poor structure. >> > >> > · David introduced a book that he wrote called, The Insanity of >> > Africa – available to purchase on the Village Care website – proceeds >> > support the programming >> > >> > · Participants shared stories about follow-up to Open Space >> > events >> > and successes that were reported ex post facto >> > >> > o David was told by a client in Nigeria that, “Even if you never come >> > back, we will have been changed forever.” >> > >> > o Linda discusses a story from client in Boulder, CO – a young, >> > successful, start-up tech company who she worked with early on in their >> > career with traditional Open Space events. The company incorporated the >> > OS >> > process into their regular meetings. Some years later, she was joining >> > them >> > again for an event and was asked if she had ever heard of Open Space. >> > >> > o Linda provides a separate “next steps” form during some OS events. >> > This >> > can be posted to the OS report so that participants can sign up for next >> > steps even if they were not a part of the group that created them. >> > >> > · Question was raised about whether or not anyone was developing >> > metrics for what works and what doesn’t/ >> > >> > · OS story from Harrison relayed second-hand by participant. >> > Harrison was called in to a country to help with the issue they were >> > having >> > with “cab wars” – conflict over cabbies trying to win customers. I think >> > there was an issue around cabbies feeling like customers were being >> > stolen >> > out from under them, maybe fierce price competition, and perhaps even >> > some >> > violence? ….not sure…What was uncovered was that the whole town was >> > experiencing economic problems, of which the cab wars were one >> > manifestation. The whole town was invited to an open space events and a >> > number of issues were resolved, including the cab issue….is this >> > accurate? >> > >> > · Participant, I think Paul Levy, quoted Rudolph Steiner in >> > reference to his thoughts about OS and follow-up, “Spiritual time runs >> > backwards” – roughly paraphrased…explained that he feels that the follow >> > up >> > can precede the Open Space and that it is not always about action to be >> > generated, but about traveling back in time to the source, not always >> > forward to action, but back toward remembering what they already know… >> > >> > · At the same time, part of a good invitation, is an invitation >> > to >> > action – make it clear that you can start a session focused on action >> > planning at 9am the first day, you don’t have to always wait until the >> > end >> > impatiently and wait for formal convergence. >> > >> > o Beatrice adds that this all depends on the objective of the client >> > >> > · Skye Hirst and Tricia Chirumbole are both motivated to connect >> > with David about potential collaborative opportunities. >> > >> > o Tricia is interested in getting her contacts in Ghana involved with >> > Village Care. >> > >> > o She is also interested in exploring ways to scale Village Care, >> > including to “developed” countries. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Our moderator is a wonderful self-selected volunteer in the best of OS >> > tradition – one Harold Shinsato. He actually moved us from our old home >> > at >> > Bose State to our new digs. In an effort to save space and keep thing >> > simple >> > things like attachments and graphics are generally avoided. So the >> > easiest, >> > best way to post stuff is not with an attachment, but just put it out >> > there, >> > loud, clear, bold, and beautiful. >> > >> > >> > >> > Harrison >> > >> > >> > >> > Harrison Owen >> > >> > 7808 River Falls Dr. >> > >> > Potomac, MD 20854 >> > >> > USA >> > >> > >> > >> > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) >> > >> > Camden, Maine 04843 >> > >> > >> > >> > Phone 301-365-2093 >> > >> > (summer) 207-763-3261 >> > >> > >> > >> > www.openspaceworld.com >> > >> > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) >> > >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> > OSLIST >> > Go >> > to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > >> > >> > >> > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia >> > Chirumbole >> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:09 AM >> > >> > >> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today! >> > >> > >> > >> > Hey Harrison! >> > >> > >> > >> > Attached is a word doc w/ some notes - they are not complete, and likely >> > not >> > entirely accurate :o >> > >> > >> > >> > I created a google doc and shared it with the list on Friday, BUT, it is >> > awaiting moderator approval since it came from some google-based email >> > address, which is not a member of the OS list. >> > >> > >> > >> > Do you know who this shadowy list moderator is??? >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Hi Tricia! It’s me again. Still wondering what is happening with all >> > this >> > marvelous Skyping! Just a teaser would surely do. >> > >> > >> > >> > J >> > >> > >> > >> > Harrison Owen >> > >> > 7808 River Falls Dr. >> > >> > Potomac, MD 20854 >> > >> > USA >> > >> > >> > >> > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) >> > >> > Camden, Maine 04843 >> > >> > >> > >> > Phone 301-365-2093 >> > >> > (summer) 207-763-3261 >> > >> > >> > >> > www.openspaceworld.com >> > >> > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) >> > >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> > OSLIST >> > Go >> > to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > >> > >> > >> > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia >> > Chirumbole >> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:31 AM >> > >> > >> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today! >> > >> > >> > >> > Sorry about that Jamie! The time is EDT. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Jamie Colston >> > <jamiecols...@googlemail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Hi Tricia >> > >> > >> > >> > Is it est or edt? Just to check as I need to find out what my local time >> > is? >> > My Skype name is below >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > Jamie >> > >> > Jamie Colston >> > >> > >> > >> > Tel: 07909442006 >> > >> > Email: jamiecols...@gmail.com >> > >> > Skype: father_to_zephyr >> > >> > Twitter: spearthwarrior >> > >> > >> > >> > Programme Leader >> > >> > www.now-here.com/ecl >> > >> > >> > >> > Facilitator & Catalyst >> > >> > Www.greenvisionmovement.org >> > >> > >> > On 25 Mar 2013, at 12:57, Tricia Chirumbole >> > <tri...@investorswithoutborders.net> wrote: >> > >> > Hi all! >> > >> > >> > >> > By popular vote, the Village Care skype with David Glenwinkel will >> > commence >> > today, Monday March 25th at 1pm EDT - pending David's confirmation. >> > >> > >> > >> > I will initiate the skype, but I need to be on another call, so I will >> > only >> > have from 1pm-1:05pm EST to get all interested participants on the call. >> > >> > >> > >> > If you want to be on and we are not yet connected on skype, please: 1) >> > send >> > me your skype name, and 2) accept my request for you to share your >> > contact >> > info via skype. >> > >> > >> > >> > Doodle link to confirm your interest in participating: >> > http://doodle.com/v5hheuq6kdmmsfhk >> > >> > >> > >> > btw, on Friday I typed up notes from previous calls and shared with the >> > OS >> > list via a google doc - email w/ attachment is pending approval by the >> > OSlist moderator - whoever that shadowy figure might be :) >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > -- >> > Tricia Chirumbole >> > US: +1-571-232-0942 >> > Skype: tricia.chirumbole >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OSList mailing list >> > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OSList mailing list >> > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tricia Chirumbole >> > US: +1-571-232-0942 >> > Skype: tricia.chirumbole >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OSList mailing list >> > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tricia Chirumbole >> > US: +1-571-232-0942 >> > Skype: tricia.chirumbole >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OSList mailing list >> > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tricia Chirumbole >> > US: +1-571-232-0942 >> > Skype: tricia.chirumbole >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OSList mailing list >> > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Kári Gunnarsson >> kari.gunnars...@simnet.is >> gsm: +354 8645189 >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > -- Kári Gunnarsson kari.gunnars...@simnet.is gsm: +354 8645189 _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
