Thanks for the link, Harold. Very interesting. It seams to me that much that is said there is still valid today. Maybe OT people were expecting changes in a direction that was not exactly the one that has been followed by the corporate word in this last 30 years. I wonder what others will say about us 30 years from now...
The suggestions they made at Wikipedia are helpful, but will imply a lot of rewriting - by an English native... Artur On Monday, October 14, 2013 2:42 PM, Harold Shinsato <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Artur, I actually found a reference in a book by Beverly Fletcher, "Organization transformation theorists and practitioners: profiles and themes" published in 1990 which I was able to cite in rewriting to remove the questions in the article page - to give the time and conference - Boston Regional ODN in the spring of 1982. It's an interesting read as this part of the book is visible on Google Books preview - http://books.google.com/books?id=U79jGNETRKIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false. I looked over the talk section of the Open Space wikipedia entry and I think I agree with some of the comments there about the tone of the article sounding too much like a promotion or advocacy of OST, and the most helpful comment was that the article could use benefit from looking at the format of the Wikipedia entry on Scrum. This seems like a lot more rewriting is needed to help legitimize the article. Too much work for me to do right now - but at least I answered those questions. Harold On 10/14/13 4:39 AM, Artur Silva wrote: Harold: The idea of correcting the OST entry in the Wikipedia is very valuable. > > >But, in what concerns the initial part with issues (In the early 1980s[when?], >Harrison Owen wrote a paper on what he called "organization transformation". >He presented this paper at a traditional management conference[which?]. It was >well enough received that a number of people[who?] urged Owen to organize a >conference to specifically address the issues and opportunities he identified >in his paper.) as there was not such paper, but only a presentation, can't >this be explained on the "talk page" and propose that the all sentence be >supressed? > > >Harrison: Even if you are not sure if you said that at the time, it is still >correct and I am sure that you wrote it now :-) > > >So can I quote this: > > >«I don’t know what Organization Transformation is, but I suspect that it may >be the successor to Organization Development, appropriate to life in a >transforming world.»? > > >Regards > > >Artur? > > > > > > > > > >On Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:57 PM, Harrison Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > > >OK – got a clue. I did make a presentation at a regional gathering of the ODN >in the early 80’s. Actually David Belle Isle and I did it jointly. The title >of our presentation was “Myth and Ritual as the Ground for Organization >Transformation.” There never really was a paper, just some notes, and we just >talked. I vaguely recall the last remarks – which I made – “I don’t know what >Organization Transformation is, but I suspect that it may be the successor to >Organization Development, appropriate to life in a transforming world.” Or >something. > >ho > > > >Harrison Owen >7808 River Falls Dr. >Potomac, MD 20854 >USA > >189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) >Camden, Maine 04843 > >Phone 301-365-2093 >(summer) 207-763-3261 > >www.openspaceworld.com >www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go >to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > >From:Harold Shinsato [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:43 AM >To: OSLIST; Harrison Owen >Subject: Original Harrison Owen paper on "Organization Transformation"? > >Hey folks, an ongoing effort of many people on this list and of the Open Space >Institute U.S. has been to fix up the Wikipedia page. >http://wikipedia.org/Open_Space_Technology. It has had some of the ugly >warnings at the beginning removed, but there are still issues. > >The opening of the current version of the wikipedia article cites a paper Harrison Owen wrote at "a traditional management conference". > >What was this paper and is it available anywhere? > >When was it published? > >What was the traditional management conference where it was published? > > Thanks! > Harold >-- >Harold Shinsato >[email protected] >http://shinsato.com >twitter: @hajush > >_______________________________________________ >OSList mailing list >To post send emails to [email protected] >To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > >
