"our current discussion of Gaming (Game theory, Finite and Infinite Games, etc). [...] I still don't understand how it advances our understanding of our world as encountered in Open Space, and more specifically, how it enables me to more effectively navigate that world for myself, and with others, who may choose the journey."

There are two beautifully contradictory answers to this:

1) It makes no difference.
2) It makes worlds and worlds of difference.

I experience much truth in both answers. And looking at those "answers" as conversations, there are many more questions in each answer. Are both conversations truly welcome?

Let me speak to conversation one. People encountering Open Space for the first time don't need more than those 10-15 minutes to be invited to play in it. In fact, adding much more to those minutes usually starts crowding out the voice of the new person being invited in.

What about people wanting to facilitate Open Space? There are multiple books. Multiple trainings. Does one really need more than the description of OST on wikipedia to do it? If that becomes an excuse for not setting up an Open Space that's ready to happen - then I say the answer is No No No! You're ready, you can do it, you can learn as you go.

I'm sure I could go on and on with scenarios where more than the basics is not helpful.

That said, I'm still wishing there were more space for conversation 2. Hey, maybe I'm hallucinating, but it's persistently feeling like the people in conversation one are saying "You shouldn't be in conversation two". Psychological safety? I'm not feeling it.

    Harold


On 10/24/13 2:38 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:

Anne -- I noticed your pebble! And I think you are dead right. Magnificent, complex, living systems simply defy capture in a single frame. It isn't their problem, it is the problem of our language... always too small to do the job. But I don't see that as a "problem" either. For me it is really an opportunity and an invitation to keep framing and reframing. It just gets richer, and the conversation continues. I think we only get in trouble when we (whoever "we" is) get stuck in the "one right way" syndrome. Even controversy is valuable, if only because it offers the chance to refine our pictures. And best of all, allows us to hold several pictures at the same time... especially when they are contradictory. Sort of the Wave and Particle kind of thing. It is always tempting to ask which one is the right one? And the answer is clearly, Both. It just depends on how you are looking at things. Marvelous!

All that said, I do have to confess to being a died in the wool, American Pragmatist. I can usually always see the value of somebody else's picture, but then I have to ask -- What does it do? What does it do to enable me to perform some needed function, understand my current reality with greater clarity, get on with the business, so to speak. I also find it useful to combine pragmatism with a good dose of Occam's Razor -- AKA The Law of Parsimony. There are lots of ways of describing the "law" -- but it could be, "How can you say the most with the fewest words?"

I suppose that is just academic obfuscation... but it does have a lot to do with our current discussion of Gaming (Game theory, Finite and Infinite Games, etc). I know a fair amount of the literature, have used the approach in multiple situations creating policy and practice... and I still don't understand how it advances our understanding of our world as encountered in Open Space, and more specifically, how it enables me to more effectively navigate that world for myself, and with others, who may choose the journey. Doubtless this is a case of the hardening of the senile neuro-pathways, but that is where I is.

Thanks for the Pebble!

Harrison



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