Christine ... “I find very interesting this tension between personal vision (think about Gore for instance or Semler and Semco) and self-organization. looks very complex and human to me ;)
but still wondering how self-organization fits within this kind of frame.” It is really easy. Self Organization is already there, but the poor folks at Zappo think they did it! Surprise – what they really did was complicate something that could have happened very easily by itself. Ah! But we humans have to feel we are in control. Even when we say we aren’t and don’t care to be. The Trojan Horse rides again. Zappo’d as it were. ho Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Dr. Potomac, MD 20854 USA 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) Camden, Maine 04843 Phone 301-365-2093 (summer) 207-763-3261 www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to: <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of christine koehler Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:35 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space and Holacracy This reminds me of a very short conversation I had with a participant of the Practice of Peace seminar last January. He had left Zappos not so long ago. We exchanged a few words about the ambiguity of Tony Hsieh mandating Zappos to become holacratic, because it was his own personal vision. I find very interesting this tension between personal vision (think about Gore for instance or Semler and Semco) and self-organization. looks very complex and human to me ;) but stlll wondering how self-organization fits within this kind of frame. Christine On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Harrison Owen <[email protected]> wrote: Christine, Zappo Holarchs “rolled out” according to the following... Sounds like sort of a mandate to me. ho http://qz.com/161210/zappos-is-going-holacratic-no-job-titles-no-managers-no-hierarchy Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Dr. Potomac, MD 20854 USA 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) Camden, Maine 04843 Phone 301-365-2093 (summer) 207-763-3261 www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com%20> www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com%20> (Personal Website) To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Whitney Sanchez Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:46 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space and Holacracy Great post, Daniel. Our company worked with Tony Hseigh’s Downtown Las Vegas Project last year and found the whole thing to be very self-organizing. I’m surprised that Zappos is imposing any kind of mandate - where did you discover this? Namasté, Christine Christine Whitney Sanchez, Partner Innovation Partners International Phoenix, AZ, USA +1.480.759.0262 <tel:%2B1.480.759.0262> www.innovationpartners.com On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Dan Mezick <[email protected]> wrote: An invitation arouses curiousity, but a mandate dries up the bones... Ancient Proverb The Mandate of Holacracy at Zappos: http://newtechusa.net/agile/the-mandate-of-holacracy-at-zappos/ Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2014, at 11:36 AM, "Harrison Owen" <[email protected]> wrote: Wikipedia (as usual) has everything you wanted to know... go to -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy I can certainly imagine Open Space playing a role in Holacracies, and in fact the "governance" in a Open Space could certainly be described as "Holacratic" -- which is to say "ruling power" is totally distributed amongst the participants. But there is a real difference. Holacracy in Open Space is totally an emergent phenomenon. Nobody designed it, nobody implements it -- it just shows up all by itself. Holacracy in places like Zappos is a designed phenomenon. Doubtless it works pretty well, but it does seem to me that they may be working a little too hard, creating something that can and does happen all by itself. I think. Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Dr. Potomac, MD 20854 USA 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) Camden, Maine 04843 Phone 301-365-2093 (summer) 207-763-3261 www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/> www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/> (Personal Website) To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kári Gunnarsson Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 11:20 AM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space and Holacracy I heard that Holacracy is somehow based upon the principles of Open Space and uses Open space for its implementation. On 4 March 2014 08:53, Rob van der Eyden <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Kári, Interesting question. How do you see the link between Open space and Holacracy? Kind regards, Rob van der Eyden -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens Kári Gunnarsson Verzonden: maandag 3 maart 2014 21:52 Aan: Open Space Forum Onderwerp: [OSList] Open Space and Holacracy There have been much talk about the relationship of the organizational chart and how Open Space operates. Recent compareson to me has been to link the new self-organizing authority and decision-making system called Holacracy see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy I wonder if there are stories on the use of Open space to transform more traditional system to one of Open Space based Holacracy? I would be happy to learn some of your experiences in this regard. -- Kári Gunnarsson [email protected] gsm: +354 8645189 <tel:%2B354%208645189> _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list To post send emails to [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Kári Gunnarsson [email protected] gsm: +354 8645189 <tel:%2B354%208645189> _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list To post send emails to [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list To post send emails to [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list To post send emails to [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list To post send emails to [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Christine Koehler, créatrice d'espace de Dialogue et de Coopération <http://uploads.wisestamp.com/59a7171fcb010f7c1cffbbe7e93ad57d/1320761435.png> Executive Coach, Médiateur www.christine-koehler.fr <http://www.christine-koehler.fr/> Tel : 06 13 28 71 38 Fax : 09 72 32 36 65
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