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ב-Jan 4, 2015, בשעה 23:21, Chris Corrigan via OSList <[email protected]> כתב/ה: > All good things from people named John! > > My friend Toke Moeller often shares the insight that “purpose is the > invisible leader” and I share that too. Purpose can be stated and unstated, > and like everything in the realm of complexity, is always changing. > > In order for emergence to happen, it happens within boundaries, and that > includes the emergence that later comes to redefine boundaries. My point > earlier was that stated purposes can help a great deal AND you need to leave > space for the possibility that any way you state it or understand, there is > always a high chance that your purpose itself may not serve, or may be at > odds with a different, hidden and often more powerful purpose. > > This gets summed by my other friend Tim Merry who says “Culture eats strategy > for breakfast.” This means that no matter how clever you are or how > articulate you are about purpose, goals and intentions, if you are opening > space, culture will show up, and it is sometimes the more powerful purpose. > > This is why holding space is often terrifying. > > Chris > >> On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:40 PM, John Watkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> John, >> >> My experience is that open spaces (and open systems) are "purpose-seeking" >> systems, and getting clarity through emergence about purpose is probably one >> of the most important aspects of people opening space together. Purpose is >> dynamic and powerfully grounding in a sense of essence or the being-ness of >> the emergent group; it's like a strange attractor for the emergence of >> meaning and aligned action. Goals, on the other hand, are inert and static; >> they tend to shut down rather than open up space. If you set goals before >> you gather together and make meaning, often all they do is reinforce the >> "limitations that we mistake for our goals," to cite one of my teachers. We >> end up with what we started with, not something with new potential and >> power. Goals can be helpful, though I prefer to think about intentions and >> aspirations and what I want to accomplish instead. So, I would go for >> purpose first, and use goals only as a crutch (this is a good purpose for >> them, BTW), or even, retrospectively, once purpose and meaning and intention >> and aligned actions are envisioned and something has been accomplished. >> >> John Watkins >> >> On Jan 4, 2015, at 2:37 AM, John Baxter via OSList wrote: >> >>> I feel Chris like we have seemingly conflicting suggestions, but might be >>> talking about different things. >>> >>> Reading about games recently (McGonigal's Reality is Broken) got me >>> thinking about goals. And specifically, how goals are different from >>> purpose. >>> >>> Don't know whether this will help but here goes. I am only just thinking >>> this through so it is not well tested. >>> >>> Goals are an element of a good game. They are almost part of the rules of >>> the game, like an agreement - something that we buy in to as part of >>> participation. >>> >>> The most productive spaces I have been part of have had a clear goal for >>> that space (that is understood and agreed to by all). >>> >>> I haven't used the word 'goal' to describe this before and maybe it is not >>> the best one, but it feels right to me to use a different word than >>> 'purpose' which always seem in reality to be impossible to pin down. I am >>> always aware that there is a broad web of different intents and purposes >>> and ideas that no individual will ever compute (even just those within >>> themselves, let alone others!), that will always be fuzzy. >>> >>> Personally, having a solid 'goal' for a space is a fundamental part of >>> holding that space, any space. It need not be written down, but I need to >>> feel it, and ideally it is as transparent as possible in the invitation and >>> for participants (part of the social contract of participation). >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> John Baxter >>> Cocreation Consultant & CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator >>> jsbaxter.com.au | CoCreateADL.com >>> 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ >>> >>> Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City >>> Grill! >>> Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Chris Corrigan via OSList >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Sometimes though, fuzzy purpose is really really useful. I’ve had >>>> situations where a group is really sure of what it is doing, and what it >>>> exists for and yet nothing is working. >>>> >>>> This happens a lot with mainline churches these days, many of whom are >>>> certain that they can recreate the “success” they had in the 1960s. They >>>> are certainly clear on their purpose, but the harder they try, the worse >>>> they make it for themselves. >>>> >>>> And so we have run OST meetings where the purpose was unclear and fuzzy >>>> and people simply proposed topics that interested them. And it turns out >>>> that that is a good way to discover the new directions you are trying to >>>> get into. Of course all groups need a boundary, and in the case that >>>> immediately comes to mind, the question was “What else can we be?” >>>> >>>> People felt that was too fuzzy to get any kind of strategic work done, but >>>> what happened was that it invited people into a now three year journey of >>>> wayfinding together. Which, it turns out, is a good purpose for a church. >>>> >>>> I think it’s not my job to “help people discover what they should be >>>> doing” even in Open Space. I can, however, help hold space so that people >>>> can explore the fuzziness and confusion that they find themselves in AND I >>>> can model behaviour of not needing to know, of avoiding premature >>>> convergence of ideas and purpose, so that the innovation and wisdom and >>>> leadership at the margins can come forward. >>>> >>>> In the parlance of software developers, not knowing what to do is a >>>> feature of living in this world, not a bug. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:00 AM, Anne-Béatrice Duparc via OSList >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I love how you put it in words John. I will discuss it today with the >>>>> caller. Indeed there is much that seems already prepared and "shoulds". I >>>>> hope I can help them let go of it. >>>>> Thanks for the reminder, >>>>> >>>>> Message: 3 >>>>> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:56:24 +1030 >>>>> From: John Baxter via OSList <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Gail West <[email protected]>, World wide Open Space Technology >>>>> email list <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] First open space, advices needed :) >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <CAJpg6=RAR3tnEUhzgFsTZ6HSZTKsUh=eb06qfopbmhenwsb...@mail.gmail.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>> >>>>> If you can help the group to become clear about what the most important >>>>> focus/challenge/question is for them *now*, then they will be able to let >>>>> go of all those preconceived discussion topics in order to address their >>>>> priority. >>>>> If the purpose is fuzzy then all people have to go on is their baggage and >>>>> prepared ideas. This makes it hard for people to embrace the space, and >>>>> they are likely to walk away disappointed (though they may still get a lot >>>>> done). >>>>> >>>>> Overall, it will be useful to help people find what they really want to >>>>> *do*, >>>>> vs what they think they should *talk about*. I don't really know how to >>>>> describe this better, nor how you should do it. But it might help. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *John Baxter* >>>>> *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator* >>>>> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com >>>>> 0405 447 829 >>>>> ? | ? >>>>> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>>>> >>>>> Anne-Béatrice Duparc >>>>> (0)76/378.69.98 >>>>> Comité de BIEN-Suisse Initiative fédérale pour un revenu de base >>>>> Génération RBI www.rbi-oui.ch >>>>> Association Solid'Art > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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