My first posting to this list, I hope it goes well! I love what Diana wrote about AONW2015 in Portland last week. Spot on, and her closing with her granddaughter was beautiful. As co-chair, I was doing the walk-thru with Diana and her granddaughter a couple of months before. Her granddaughter was delighting in running huge circles in that big empty space. Which was subsequently transformed. Balloons, colorful notes all over the walls, tons of people and chairs... An amazing OS experience, to have both Diana and her granddaughter close!
Alicia On 2/19/15, 1:07 PM, "via OSList" <[email protected]> wrote: >Send OSList mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > >You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. OST and paying attendance fees (Jenifer Toksvig via OSList) > 2. Re: OST and paying attendance fees (Michael M Pannwitz via OSList) > 3. Re: OST and paying attendance fees (Jenifer Toksvig via OSList) > 4. Re: And a little child... (Suzanne Daigle via OSList) > 5. Re: OST and paying attendance fees > (Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring via OSList) > 6. peggy's talk (Raffi Aftandelian via OSList) > 7. Re: OST and paying attendance fees (Harrison via OSList) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:16:08 +0000 >From: Jenifer Toksvig via OSList <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: [OSList] OST and paying attendance fees >Message-ID: <d10ab198.15f69%[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Dear all, > >What are your thoughts on paying fees to attract high-profile attendees to >an open space event? > >Has anyone done it? > >Is there an impact on that person?s ability to engage with open space once >they?re in the room? > >Is there an impact on the ability of non-paid attendees, if they know that >some have been paid a fee to be in the room? Does it make a difference if >the person who was paid a fee is high-profile within that community? > >I think I will have some funding that is supposed to pay for masterclasses >on a course I?ll be teaching this fall. > >I?d prefer not to mark out a select few as ?masters?, but instead offer a >broad invitation to all who are experienced in the field, and hold regular >open space events that they could attend alongside the students. > >Offering a fee to be in the room seems at odds with open space to me, but >on >the other hand, I do want to put the students in contact with those who >have >experience and could mentor, or act as elders, or just be momentary guides >or sounding boards. > >Open space seems perfect to me as a way to let the students and the guests >decide how they want to interact, but I do need to get people into the >room >in the first place. > >Thoughts on fee-paying as a way to do that? > >Many thanks :-) > >Jen x > >Jenifer Toksvig >www.acompletelossforwords.com > >The Copenhagen Interpretation >www.thecopenhageninterpretation.co.uk > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachm >ents/20150218/e90b930b/attachment.html> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:05:01 +0100 >From: Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <[email protected]> >To: Jenifer Toksvig <[email protected]>, World wide > Open Space Technology email list <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [OSList] OST and paying attendance fees >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >Dear Jen, > >I remember one os-event I facilitated where the sponsor paid a fee to 8 >"experts" with the idea that they would post workshops or whatever >during the market place. This was a 1,5 day event with the experts in >attendence for the whole time (some 70+ youths from 30+ European >Countries on the future of participation). >As posting issues was well on its way the sponsor came to me (as is my >habit during the market phase I was not sitting in the circle but >standing outside of it trying to be invisible) and whispered "Michael, >you got to do something, the experts are not offering anything" my >response was something like "Thats ok, just wait". >Well, they in fact never did offer anything but were very active during >the entire event... joining the the issue-groups that interested them, >contributing, I suppose, their "expertise" (just like everyone else, of >course). >On the evening of the first day some of the experts talked to this >saying they were fascinated by the issues that were offered and simply >did not offer the workshops they had prepared. > >The others in attendance did not mind paid experts being in attendance >having experienced worse things at gatherings like this ... and worked >peacefully with them. > >After that event I facilitated many others where sponors had planned to >have key note speaker, experts and other important input... and told >them this story. They always dropped this stuff, still inviting folks >they considered experts but without a fee in a way going along with the >notions that all that are invited and come are experts. And sometimes I >suggested they get the information or inputs they felt everyone should >have printed and circulated ahead of the event... so folks could decide >whether to read it or not and not be forced to sit through stuff at the >os-event that reduced their time to work on their issues. > >One way out of your dilemma (offering a fee at odds with open space and >still wanting experts for the benefit of the students) is to have the >planning group for your masterclass which could be composed of you, of >course, and a cross-section of who you want to invite (students, other >staff, experts, researchers, folks from other fields of study, people >who provide the funding,...) discuss how to attract all that the group >feels should attend to have a grand os-event (high diversity).... > >Have a great masterclass >Greetings from Berlin >mmp > >On 18.02.2015 22:16, Jenifer Toksvig via OSList wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> What are your thoughts on paying fees to attract high-profile attendees >> to an open space event? >> >> Has anyone done it? >> >> Is there an impact on that person?s ability to engage with open space >> once they?re in the room? >> >> Is there an impact on the ability of non-paid attendees, if they know >> that some have been paid a fee to be in the room? Does it make a >> difference if the person who was paid a fee is high-profile within that >> community? >> >> I think I will have some funding that is supposed to pay for >> masterclasses on a course I?ll be teaching this fall. >> >> I?d prefer not to mark out a select few as ?masters?, but instead offer >> a broad invitation to all who are experienced in the field, and hold >> regular open space events that they could attend alongside the students. >> >> Offering a fee to be in the room seems at odds with open space to me, >> but on the other hand, I do want to put the students in contact with >> those who have experience and could mentor, or act as elders, or just be >> momentary guides or sounding boards. >> >> Open space seems perfect to me as a way to let the students and the >> guests decide how they want to interact, but I do need to get people >> into the room in the first place. >> >> Thoughts on fee-paying as a way to do that? >> >> Many thanks :-) >> >> Jen x >> >> *Jenifer Toksvig >> *www.acompletelossforwords.com >> >> *The Copenhagen Interpretation >> *www.thecopenhageninterpretation.co.uk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > >-- >Michael M Pannwitz >Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany >++49 - 30-772 8000 > > > >Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 404 resident Open >Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries >worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:21:39 +0000 >From: Jenifer Toksvig via OSList <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]>, World wide Open Space Technology email > list <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [OSList] OST and paying attendance fees >Message-ID: <d10abf69.15f88%[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > >Dear Michael, > >That was really useful, thank you. > >It is exactly my intention to open up an invitation to join us in the >room, and not specify how they should engage once there, of course. > >And yes, I think you?re right: we should have a conversation, and the >students should reach out to whomever they want to invite into the space. > >Not only will that help them know that reaching out to people who might >seem very distant isn?t actually all that difficult, but it will also let >the invitees know that they?re chosen by the students, not by a random >teacher! I think that?s actually a much stronger invitation: more >personal, somehow more flattering? Certainly more immediate. > >Which means my masterclass budget, whatever it may be, can be spent >supporting the opening of space: at first, by Phelim (I hope), and then on >materials, etc. > >We also hope to be able to teach the students how to open space, so they >end up doing all of that themselves too. > >It?s a really good idea to suggest printing things out, to those who want >to impart specific knowledge. I don?t want to block any offers of >engagement, and sharing print-outs is a great way to embrace that too. > >Many thanks :-) > >Jen x > >Jenifer Toksvig >www.acompletelossforwords.com > >The Copenhagen Interpretation >www.thecopenhageninterpretation.co.uk > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:45:32 -0500 >From: Suzanne Daigle via OSList <[email protected]> >To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]>, Diana Larsen > <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [OSList] And a little child... >Message-ID: > <cajh+flbjhq53shybfg90ydczfbjzvzfs5gbadp5seie1_ob...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Dear Diana, your description was so concisely informative, the history of >this event very special and the story of your granddaughter moved me to >tears even more as a first time grandma. Your words: "I felt her small >hand >slip lightly into mine" just about did me in. I am convinced that my >practice of Open Space has bonded me even more deeply with my 5 month old >grandson in a soulful way. Thank you for sharing this as beautifully as >you >did. >Suzanne also a fortunate grandma >On Feb 16, 2015 4:55 PM, "Diana Larsen via OSList" < >[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Last week, we held the 7th annual Agile Open Northwest conference in >> Portland Oregon. >> >> *The Facts: * >> *Theme:* Agile Vision for Agile Practitioners >> *Duration: *2.5+ days (+ represents holding the closing activities after >> lunch on the third day) >> *Registration: *246 people registered including organizers, volunteers, >> sponsor representatives, attendees, etc. >> *Circle Set-up:* 3 concentric rows (inner 60, middle 70, outer 80) about >> 60-70 ft (~ 20 m) in diameter >> *Attending:* ~190 people sat in Opening Circle, others drifted in (or >> out) over the course of the event, only a dozen badges had not been >>claimed >> by the end of the conference. >> *Marketplace: *We posted sessions one day at a time over the three days. >> *Session times:* 16 over three days - 6 on Day 1, 7 on Day 2, 3 on Day 3 >> *Sessions possible:* 208 + more outside pre-arranged times or spaces >> *Sessions held:* ~140 >> *Session spaces: *13 (9-11 were filled during any one session time, >>fewer >> in the evenings and early morning) >> *Session length:* 60 minutes + 10 minutes to move between sessions >> *Location:* http://leftbankannex.com Converted aeronautic machined-parts >> manufacturing shop, 14,000 sq ft on two floors with a mezzanine. Lots >>of >> concrete, metal, windows, and vast empty space repurposed for events. >>Very >> industrial chic and highly configurable. The event coming in the day >>after >> ours was a huge Bar Mitzvah. >> *Experiments: *We tried it with a ?crew? of OS facilitators, so everyone >> could attend sessions, secure in the knowledge that someone(s) somewhere >> was attending to the space holding needs. It mostly worked, there are a >>few >> aspects of this I?d change. Harold Shinsato was one of the crew >>members. He >> may have more to say (or not). >> *My role:* Organizer of the OS crew, participant, bumblebee, butterfly, >> board member. >> >> *The best part: * >> On the last day, I brought my 4-year-old grand-daughter, T. She had been >> on the exploratory visit last fall when the co-chairs chose the >>facility, >> and I thought she?d like to see it all decked out for the event. Also, >>her >> Mom needed time to do a few things that are made difficult with a 4 y/o >>in >> tow. I feel blessed that I knew bringing her wouldn?t cause a moment?s >> concern to any of the other board members, chairs, or organizers. What a >> great community! >> >> T was interested and a little overwhelmed. I?m not sure she?s ever been >> with such a large group before. She spent most of the day shyly curious >>and >> quietly observing, getting her bearings. The buffet breakfast was a >>treat >> for he, so the day started well. She sat intent through "morning >> announcements? as member of the OS crew welcomed everyone to the third >>day >> and facilitated additions to the marketplace. She attended three >>sessions >> and butterflied during the two session times before lunch. >> >> She was fascinated by the lunch break with many tables of 8 people >>locked >> in deep discussions. ?What are those people doing?? We explained the >> delight of being able to talk about something you care about with other >> people who care as deeply?people that you might not otherwise see >>often. T >> considered this for a moment, then nodded her affirmation. >> >> We moved to the closing. She and i found chairs in the circle, as a >> facilitator started it off, asking about sessions attended, giving >> participants time to announce actions going forward, etc. Toward the >>end, I >> asked her father to come sit with her. I needed to move into a different >> place in the circle to receive the microphone and close the conference >> space. >> >> I had been sitting in my new seat only a few minutes and my colleague >>was >> still facilitating the harvest, when, spontaneously, T began running >>around >> the outside of the circle, defining the space, inadvertently causing >>those >> who were standing outside to move closer into the circle. Her shoes hit >>the >> floor creating a rhythmic tattoo and an energetic boundary around the >> community. She made 5 or so circuits. I sat in awe , feeling my eyes >> moisten and goosebumps rise on my skin. Then, it was time for me to take >> the microphone. >> >> Walking into the circle, as I accepted the mic and began to say a few >> words, I felt her small hand slip lightly into mine. Each person said >> their short, last comment and I invited them to stand and look around, >>to >> see who remained and remember those who had to leave earlier. She >>continued >> to walk the circle with me. Together we invited everyone to turn around >>and >> step out into their futures, closing the conference >> >> Completely unprompted, from her own instinct, she provided the perfect >> reminder that all we do contributes to the world of future generations. >>She >> was totally present and, in her way, invisible, as she held space for >>the >> very first time. >> >> From a very fortunate Grandma, >> Diana >> >> >> >> ************** >> Diana Larsen >> http://futureworksconsulting.com >> Envisioning a world where everyone at every level of the organization >>can >> say, "I love my work; this is the best job EVER!" >> ******************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachm >ents/20150218/78183669/attachment-0001.htm> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:52:14 -0600 >From: Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring via OSList > <[email protected]> >To: Jenifer Toksvig <[email protected]>, World wide > Open Space Technology email list <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [OSList] OST and paying attendance fees >Message-ID: > <CAN5FCtrjOyBjJZiuJxr-KSo0gx2WqRYysa31=ykyo_bp76t...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Hi Jenifer: >I don't know if this experience can help you in some way. >I facilitated an OS event in an University. The objective was to open the >space to reflect on how this master program could improve in many ways. >One >ot them was how this university in Mexico could get more international >contacts and visibility. So the coordinator of this master program >invited >a professor from an other university that is doing better in that topic: >international exchanges with other universities. > >Because this other university is far they payed the travel expenses to the >professor that was invited. His participation was very inspiring and >useful >and he liked also his first experience in OS. >I think that having this special participant was a very good decision in >this cae because they wanted to learn many things from him and he had a >very good attitude. > >I facilitated an other open space where some people that were from other >work places came to a group that was formed fro people that worked >together >in the same topic. They where not payed but not charged to participate, >they propose very good subjects and helped this group to have new >perspectives it was also useful and interesting to mix people from >diferent >places. >Adriana Diaz Berrio > >2015-02-18 15:16 GMT-06:00 Jenifer Toksvig via OSList < >[email protected]>: > >> Dear all, >> >> What are your thoughts on paying fees to attract high-profile attendees >>to >> an open space event? >> >> Has anyone done it? >> >> Is there an impact on that person?s ability to engage with open space >>once >> they?re in the room? >> >> Is there an impact on the ability of non-paid attendees, if they know >>that >> some have been paid a fee to be in the room? Does it make a difference >>if >> the person who was paid a fee is high-profile within that community? >> >> I think I will have some funding that is supposed to pay for >>masterclasses >> on a course I?ll be teaching this fall. >> >> I?d prefer not to mark out a select few as ?masters?, but instead offer >>a >> broad invitation to all who are experienced in the field, and hold >>regular >> open space events that they could attend alongside the students. >> >> Offering a fee to be in the room seems at odds with open space to me, >>but >> on the other hand, I do want to put the students in contact with those >>who >> have experience and could mentor, or act as elders, or just be momentary >> guides or sounding boards. >> >> Open space seems perfect to me as a way to let the students and the >>guests >> decide how they want to interact, but I do need to get people into the >>room >> in the first place. >> >> Thoughts on fee-paying as a way to do that? >> >> Many thanks :-) >> >> Jen x >> >> >> *Jenifer Toksvig*www.acompletelossforwords.com >> >> >> *The Copenhagen Interpretation*www.thecopenhageninterpretation.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> > > >-- > >Dra. Adriana D?az-Berrio CRHA >438 338 1654 (Montreal, Canad?) >(52) 442 212 63 92 (Quer?taro fijo) >(52) 55 13 28 19 12 (M?xico DF) >www.diazberrio.com >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachm >ents/20150219/71e16804/attachment-0001.htm> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:33:47 +0000 (UTC) >From: Raffi Aftandelian via OSList <[email protected]> >To: OSlist <[email protected]> >Subject: [OSList] peggy's talk >Message-ID: > <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >suzannejan ?marshl! greetings fellow spacenicks! >thanks, suzanne, for turning us on to the talk Peggy gave recently. >this is a shot in the dark...If anyone has figured out how to turn the >talk into an mp3, give me a heads up!I'd love to listen to >it...?thanks,raffi > > >On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Suzanne Daigle via OSList < >[email protected]> wrote: > >> Harold and company, >> >> Some things are worth repeating and worth re-inviting.? Having each >> listened to Peggy's talk yesterday, Kevin O'Brien and I found ourselves >> vibrantly engaged in conversation this morning replaying bits and parts >> that had so ignited our passion and courage in the work that we are >>doing >> together to bring the spirit and processes of self management into >> organizations. I had the good fortune of meeting Kevin at International >> House in January 2014; he has since joined OSI US along with Dan Mezick. >> >> So in case you missed Peggy's conversation with Michael Dowd check *Day >> 13 at this link.*? Available free for the next 10 days only. Total cost >> to have access to all the talks is $25. You may know many of these >>speakers >> and may feel the investment is worthwhile. >>?http://www.entheos.com/The-Future-is-Calling-Us-to-Greatness/Play >> >> Suzanne >************** >"If your dharma teacher should perish in a nuclear attack or in the >zombie apocalypse, remember everything is still your teacher-- including >the subsequent nuclear winter and potential zombie attacks." -- from The >Fruits of Co-being by Imam Aftandollah the Mischievous >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachm >ents/20150219/7f34b63a/attachment-0001.htm> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:53:16 -0500 >From: Harrison via OSList <[email protected]> >To: "'Jenifer Toksvig'" <[email protected]>, "'World > wide Open Space Technology email list'" > <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [OSList] OST and paying attendance fees >Message-ID: <000601d04c86$15e4a8e0$41adfaa0$@net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Jenifer -- I think Michael has it just right. I would only add that I >don't >think "pay" really has much to do with anything. Rather it is about how we >treat those who are paid (along with everybody else). I can't tell you how >many Open Spaces I have done with NGO sort of things in which the staff >(paid, and presumably "expert") and volunteers -- all worked very happily >together. But what made that happen I think is that no special status was >accorded to anybody. And "status" emerged as it always does at the >intersection of passion and responsibility. The movers and shakers were >those who raised the issues of passionate concern, done with >responsibility. >They could be PhD's or bottle washers -- made no difference. Some might >just >take this state of affairs to be unique to the wild and weird world of OS >-- >but I firmly believe that it is to be found in the heart of any serious >learning moment. For me, real learning is emergent, and prior >certification >of source is no guarantor that the learning can or will take place. Having >the title "Expert" or even "Paid Expert" doesn't really make all that much >difference for me. Odd I guess. > >Harrison > >Winter Address >7808 River Falls Drive >Potomac, MD 20854 >301-365-2093 > >Summer Address >189 Beaucaire Ave. >Camden, ME 04843 >207-763-3261 > >Websites > www.openspaceworld.com >www.ho-image.com >OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives >of >OSLIST Go >to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > >-----Original Message----- >From: OSList [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >Jenifer Toksvig via OSList >Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 5:22 PM >To: [email protected]; World wide Open Space Technology email list >Subject: Re: [OSList] OST and paying attendance fees > >Dear Michael, > >That was really useful, thank you. > >It is exactly my intention to open up an invitation to join us in the >room, >and not specify how they should engage once there, of course. > >And yes, I think you?re right: we should have a conversation, and the >students should reach out to whomever they want to invite into the space. > >Not only will that help them know that reaching out to people who might >seem >very distant isn?t actually all that difficult, but it will also let the >invitees know that they?re chosen by the students, not by a random >teacher! >I think that?s actually a much stronger invitation: more personal, somehow >more flattering? Certainly more immediate. > >Which means my masterclass budget, whatever it may be, can be spent >supporting the opening of space: at first, by Phelim (I hope), and then on >materials, etc. > >We also hope to be able to teach the students how to open space, so they >end >up doing all of that themselves too. > >It?s a really good idea to suggest printing things out, to those who want >to >impart specific knowledge. I don?t want to block any offers of engagement, >and sharing print-outs is a great way to embrace that too. > >Many thanks :-) > >Jen x > >Jenifer Toksvig >www.acompletelossforwords.com > >The Copenhagen Interpretation >www.thecopenhageninterpretation.co.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >OSList mailing list >To post send emails to [email protected] To unsubscribe send >an >email to [email protected] >To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > >------------------------------ > >Subject: Digest Footer > >_______________________________________________ >OSList mailing list >To post send emails to [email protected] >To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > >------------------------------ > >End of OSList Digest, Vol 48, Issue 14 >************************************** _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list To post send emails to [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
