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Thank you Anne for starting this particular angle of the topic of
self-organizing! I'm so grateful for the Spirited Work you did for years
and how much it has influenced this community. I'm also grateful that
you have highlighted how OST makes it easier to learn our own
self-authorization. I'm appreciating more and more how much authority is
a key piece in understanding how OST works, and how to better apply OST
with are more conscious awareness of what authority is and how it works.
Daniel - I confess I've not studied Stigmergy in detail - but it looks
interesting (which at least from my perspective, if you point something
out it usually offers great value for me as a topic worthy of further
study). But I especially like your conversation and, *meditation*, on
music. It fits so well some of the unnecessary strains I see in our
community frequently. I'm not a big fan of jargon - but there is
something beautiful in the general whole experience of music separate
from the consciousness of the details, how it works, the vibrations,
etc. And there's also something wonderful in recognizing the detailed
mathematics.
A philosopher/physical-therapist/cranial sacral practitioner who like me
has studied African drumming - recounted a story of an east Indian
musician who came up to a muscian and communicated appreciation of the
person's playing by saying "I really enjoyed your calculations".
There's a joke about the Buddha asking a street vendor to "Make me one
with everything". I'm waiting in SLC waiting for my next flight,
remembering reading a Buddhist magazine (Shambala Sun) on the first leg
of my journey. It is interesting reading the *detailed* distinctions
available in Buddhist thinking for consciousness, some of which might
seem like "jargon". But I found the distinctions from the articles by
Thich Nat Hahn and others very useful.
No question - Jargon can be divisive. I remember walking with classmates
in college where a few of us were computer geeks. It was like we were
talking a foreign language. And yet, it's not like our language is mere
buzzwords and posing and looking important. If you've witnessed this,
there's great joy in geek fluency - if extreme annoyance in those who
hear all the jargon.
One last word on this - although many really great practitioners may not
be able to talk about what they do because they're unconsciously
competent and maybe even brilliant - these brilliant practitioners make
terrible coaches. Because they don't understand the distinctions they
have coded in their brains well enough to communicate those distinctions
to others. They can't teach. I hope we can keep the space open for those
who like to ask WHY - and maybe use technical language in the process of
communicating what we find.
Blessings!
Harold
P.S. Skye - thanks for the brilliance of your work and I loved the
videos of vibrations! Imagine if we could start seeing and growing with
science healthy brain vibrations.
On 11/30/14 7:34 AM, Skye Hirst via OSList wrote:
Yes, and here's a link to see the guitar strings each vibrating in
their own way and together harmonies are created, and also one of
artist Lisa Sparks with feelings vibrations in bowls of water. I hope
you can see a relation to what is happening in OS wherever, whenever
life is happening.
http://www.thelisapark.com/#/Lisa Sparks Vibrations
http://youtu.be/TKF6nFzpHBUGuitar Vibrations
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Anne,
Roberta my wife and I recently viewed a show on TV together (NOVA)
about "sociobiology." And there was this scientist E.O. Wilson.
He's this weird guy that studies ants. And this term "stigmergy"
comes up during the viewing.
Later, we discuss the topics of ants and signaling. We discuss
ants, signs, signals, symbols and words. Words like "music." We
discuss how some truly great musicians play from pure feel, and
cannot "read" music at all, and may in fact "be illiterate." They
play the instrument using here-and-now sensing, and feelings. They
make amazing sounds.
How the instrument physically makes sound can be precisely
described. Yet how the musician makes his or her sound cannot. And
we discuss how some people are very good at using the instrument
to make a very specific sound (without being able to clearly
explain how) while others are good at describing in general terms
how the instrument can produce many sounds (without being good at
making any pleasing sounds at all with the instrument.)
Today we talked about Open Space in light of the word 'stigmergy'
and this show on NOVA, and music.
And how perhaps Open Space is maybe a kind of instrument. That
produces vibrations. Some folks just know how to play the
instrument to produce very specific, purposeful, pleasing
vibrations. Another set of people can clearly explain how the
instrument can produce arbitrary vibrations. And how maybe some
people belong to both groups, and can play the instrument well,
and also clearly explain how it actually the instrument makes
various vibrations.
Daniel
On 11/30/14 12:12 AM, Anne Stadler via OSList wrote:
Re studying self-organization
Thanks all.
Yes HO all IS self-organization.
However i'm not interested in just any kind of self
organization. OST or Opening space is oriented to facilitating
self authorization; ease of emergence; rapid achievement of flow
state and high degree of coherence. That's my experience gained
in a seven year experiment in using OST to evolve an Open Space
Learning Community of Practice (Spirited Work).
So one thing that pops out for me if one were to research this,
maybe one needs to track a few things:
1. Level of self authorization?
2. Ease of initiating
3. Ease of emergence
4. Level of group flow state?
5. Level of group coherence?
Another observation: re using "well-established words". As an
example you gave us "stigmergy", Daniel. Where is that
"well-established"? Except in certain academic fields? I am a
"first follower" Open Spacer (that is literally true! Since
1989). I have no idea what you're talking about, i'm sorry to
say. So If you're also interested in influencing and involving
users of OST, I would encourage no professional jargon, if
possible. It renders the enterprise meaningless to an person for
whom OST taps into natural human patterns and ways of collaboration.
Thanks for this conversation you all!
Anne
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